Your new WSOP champ is a chump.

[RowdyZ]

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Sigh.

Why can people just not accept that dealing is a tipped profession? Dealers make MINIMUM WAGE.

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No a true tipped profession makes far less (2.63) then MINIMUN WAGE and is expected to make up the difference, a dealer makes that PLUS tips. The one thing this thread has helped me decide is that if I ever did win a tournament like this I would tip ZERO on top of what was already taken out.

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[texman]

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We have arrived at a total of 9,687.5 dealer hours.

$1,123,800 was taken from the prize pool for tournament staff.

The dealers' hourly rate from the 2% of the prize pool that was withheld? $116.

I understand dealers don't get 100% of this money because the floormen, etc, get a cut. Even if they only get half of that, it's plenty. Just because you deal cards in a big event doesn't mean you aren't still dealing cards. It's like saying that bank tellers should get big bonuses when they do large transactions.

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This quote sums it up. If the dealers are going to be pissed then tell them to give back the withheld 2%/4% and see what they get tipped by the winner - it won't be 6%! Tell these guys to start playing the cards instead of dealing them if they want the cash. Personally if I was in his shoes I would "tip" a charity instead of giving the dealers any extra since 6% was already withheld.

[ChristinaB]

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3% of the WSOP cash purse is withheld for dealer tips


a $100 tip is fairly generous and unnecessary considering he is already tipping 3% of his 7.5 million.


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Bull.

Technically, every single person that entered the main event tipped the dealers, including the first person to bust out.

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Neither method dexcribed of allocating the tip is correct. To consider the fellow that busts out on the first hand as contributing his full share is ridiculous. Straight allocation on the share of the prize pool is not satisfying either. Since tips in ring games are given by hand, I would base it on number of hands a person is dealt. Since those on the final table were dealt at least ten times as many hands as the median participant, his share might be around $2500. And if they give more tips to the top dealers who deal on the final day, that fact could be used to increase the share of tips from the top players.

[Rzitup]

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3% of the WSOP cash purse is withheld for dealer tips


a $100 tip is fairly generous and unnecessary considering he is already tipping 3% of his 7.5 million.


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Bull.

Technically, every single person that entered the main event tipped the dealers, including the first person to bust out.

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Neither method dexcribed of allocating the tip is correct. To consider the fellow that busts out on the first hand as contributing his full share is ridiculous. Straight allocation on the share of the prize pool is not satisfying either. Since tips in ring games are given by hand, I would base it on number of hands a person is dealt. Since those on the final table were dealt at least ten times as many hands as the median participant, his share might be around $2500. And if they give more tips to the top dealers who deal on the final day, that fact could be used to increase the share of tips from the top players.

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Who paid the $1.1 million can be spun any way you want it to sound good. The bottom line is that each person that cashed received an amount that was less than they would have had they not withheld the 2%. I was paid $28,375. If they didnt withold the 2% I would have received appx. $1,400 more than that. I tipped $1,400, the person that went out first tipped nothing. Joe tipped about $150,000.

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If they didnt withold the 2% I would have received appx. $1,400 more than that. I tipped $1,400, the person that went out first tipped nothing.

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I think this is the attitude that requires them to take the tip deduction off the top instead of relying on the "winners" making voluntary tips. Only 10% of the people are in the money, so if each person in the money thinks his tip only covers himself, the dealers are going to be screwed. The tips come from the non-winners just as much as from the winners.

The amount they took out was very high though. Can someone extimate the total work hours put in by the dealers in this tournament, so we can calculate an hourly rate for this very generous tip?

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Ok, they took a percentage of the prize pool for the dealing staff. This is NOT coming out of his $7.5 million, which means technically HE has tipped nothing.

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So this money appeared out of thin air? It came from his 10k. It came from everyone's 10k. We can thank Poker Stars for contributing an a whopping 20% of the 3%. If you're going to argue that he should give a little extra because he won so much, does that mean that great majority who didn't cash ought to get some of their money back?

I have no problem with tipping but once they effectively make it part of the payout structure, that's that.

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Dealer tip from J. Hachem? A single $100 bill. What a schmuck.

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Consider this...

The house got 4% of the total, or $2,247,600 for hosting the tournament and to deal with whatever other headaches that go along with that.

The dealers got 2% of the total, or $1,123,800. Plus their regular salary? Plus whatever the winners decided to tip above that. For doing what they would normally be doing on those days.

Joseph Hachem's $7,500,000 was slightly less than than %7.5 of the total.

Edited to add: Therefore, the way I see it, Hachem already tipped them $84,285 (his 7.5% of the $1,123,800 they took off the top).

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Considering that the 2% withheld translates to approx. $120 per 1 hr dealt in the tournament...he is supposed to give more on top of that?

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Considering that the 2% withheld translates to approx. $120 per 1 hr dealt in the tournament...he is supposed to give more on top of that?

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I wouldn't.

[Rooger]

With money being taken out of the prize pool, I think it's fair not to tip anything.
But if you do tip, it's ridiculous leaving 100$ when you've won 7.5M $.
To use the restaurant analogy as many of you did - whether you choose to tip extra beyond the 17%, or whatever percentage is being withheld for staff, is up to you - but if you've eaten at a fancy restaurant and is paying 1000$, you don't tip 1 cent!

I don't think Hachem was obliged to tip at all, but 100$ is an insult to me - 1000$+ would have been appropriate IMO, if he wanted to tip.