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#1
04-09-2006, 01:45 AM
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An unpleasant overcall.
Six max table. I've been tighter than a drum these past 40 hands as I've been dealt total crap. Table's pretty LAGgy, 45/16 or so on average, but maybe that's typical for 6max I dunno.
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls. Flop: (11 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, Hero calls. Turn: (10.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls. River: (13.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP calls, Hero... Hey I made my fl--crap. Big pot, but (a) I'm overcalling on a double paired board, and (b) against a check/3-better preflop, which seeing as I know where the top four flush cards are doesn't bode well for me. Three-bettor's nothing special but a bit more passive than he should be postflop. Caller here is very loose preflop (though only 15 PFR) and pretty aggro, near maniac. Bother calling here? Edit: Bonus question to ponder. If you're folding, how big would you want the pot to be before you called here? Say it's still 3 handed to the river; the dead money folded earlier. 
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#4
04-09-2006, 02:00 AM
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Re: An unpleasant overcall.
we want 1 pair hands to stick around on this flop, and we dont wanna destroy our implied odds on later streets.
that said i dont hate the flop raise, purely for equity pumping... as it opens us up to be able to cap the flop even 3way with luck. wait. why didn you cap the flop?? anyway turn is fine, river is a fold edit: oh and i think i want at least 35-40BB in the pot to call?
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#5
04-09-2006, 02:10 AM
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Re: An unpleasant overcall.
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[ QUOTE ] I think your flop raise blows chunks out of my ass. [/ QUOTE ] Not trying for a free card here? [/ QUOTE ] Not when I'm at a laggy table where I may not get it and I have to face 2 other players behind me with 2 cold. You want overcallers.
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#6
04-09-2006, 12:18 PM
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Re: An unpleasant overcall.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think your flop raise blows chunks out of my ass. [/ QUOTE ] Not trying for a free card here? [/ QUOTE ] Not when I'm at a laggy table where I may not get it and I have to face 2 other players behind me with 2 cold. You want overcallers. [/ QUOTE ] i gotta disagree with you here. 2 people are in. 2 people are yet to act. simply calling gets us 2 more sb if they both call. raising gets us 2sb since the 2 who are already in will never fold. but the table is laggy, so people might just call 2 cold, or someone might 3-bet letting us cap. i want to give them that chance and build a huge pot.
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#7
04-09-2006, 12:38 PM
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Re: An unpleasant overcall.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think your flop raise blows chunks out of my ass. [/ QUOTE ] Not trying for a free card here? [/ QUOTE ] Not when I'm at a laggy table where I may not get it and I have to face 2 other players behind me with 2 cold. You want overcallers. [/ QUOTE ] i gotta disagree with you here. 2 people are in. 2 people are yet to act. simply calling gets us 2 more sb if they both call. raising gets us 2sb since the 2 who are already in will never fold. but the table is laggy, so people might just call 2 cold, or someone might 3-bet letting us cap. i want to give them that chance and build a huge pot. [/ QUOTE ] Good point - I see I post about as well as I play at 3am.
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#8
04-09-2006, 02:44 AM
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Re: An unpleasant overcall.
I call, hoping to god he just made his flush. These guys both sound pretty crazy, so I figure I just might win this a little bit more often than usual with that board & action. I would certainly call 15BB here, given your description of the players. One bet for 15, and the chance one could be betting something like 88 and the other calling with a flush draw? I'm in.
If they were normally calmer or more sane, I'd want more like, um, 20?
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#9
04-09-2006, 02:47 AM
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Re: An unpleasant overcall.
I'd want 20 BBs to call this.
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#10
04-09-2006, 05:26 AM
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Re: An unpleasant overcall.
the only holdings that make sense to me are:
MP: 2 clubs > Qx (he but should have raised the turn then) > Ax (he should have raised the river then) SB: 66 or Ax (explains call PF & donk bet on flop) >> Qx (far less likely, but he might have tried to probe you on the flop and get rid of MP) Given these holdings, you are ALWAYS beaten by SB and SOMETIMES beaten by MP (with Qx, but quite unlikely). To me this basically boils down to how likely you think SB is bluffing. 30-40 BB seems to be a good minimum. Thomas P.S. Why didn't you cap the flop?
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