85s Blind Defense

[Moozh]

Villian is a weakish pre-flop, over-aggressive post-flop TAG. I was going to raise the flop (not sure if that's right), but his check foiled that. What's the best plan here?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks...

[Shooternewt]

Check. Overaggressive post flop, pf agressor check HU = monster. Seriously, why on earth would an overaggressive dude check there? If I turn a straight (non-spade) I will reevaluate, but if I don't and he bets the turn = fold (3:1 not good enough to chase the straight on the turn).

[nc001]

If the player is slow playing, wouldnt he wait until the turn to check raise. That being the case wouldn't a bet be better. You may take down the pot (unlikely) or get a free card (more likely).

If the player reverts to agro, fold the turn unimproved.

[Nick C]

Does anyone ever raise preflop and then check-fold HU? It seems like if you bet, you're probably either getting called or checkraised.

If you just get called, betting again on a turn blank might win it for you, I guess. But I'm suspicious here.

That said, I would probably bet, call the checkraise, and then fold the turn UI. I'm not sure what's best.

[Moozh]

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I'm not sure what's best.

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Good! That means I'm not alone. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Buckmulligan]

i think with the three clubs I may throw a bet as last money in.

[Sporky]

i'd check, he'll bet the flop with almost anything and would expect to be checkraised most of the time i bet here.

[TomBrooks]

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I'd bet. But I wouldn't have called the preflop raise in the first place. 85, even suited, -- ugh, not good enough. The value of suitedness is at it's lowest against only one opponent compared to any other number of opponents. It's not connected, it's not a one gapper, it's a two gapper - and it's Eight high. Garba`ge.

[Nick C]

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I'd bet. But I wouldn't have called the preflop raise in the first place. 85, even suited, -- ugh, not good enough. The value of suitedness is at it's lowest against only one opponent compared to any other number of opponents. It's not connected, it's not a one gapper, it's a two gapper - and it's Eight high. Garba`ge.

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I don't know about this guy (since he's not so aggro preflop), but against a lot of TAGs (and LAGs), if you don't defend your BB versus SB open-raises with anything halfway reasonable, you're going to be handing him 1 SB pretty much every time the action gets folded to him in the SB. At Party 5/10, anyway.


Edit: Here's an example. This was my first encounter with Villain. (I was planning to pop the turn, by the way, but then decided not to on the card that fell.)


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Results:
SB has 3c 6c (one pair, jacks).
Hero has 7d 8h (two pair, jacks and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 7 BB.


At the Party 5/10, this sort of thing isn't so unusual at all. Some people will practically auto-open-raise from the SB until you let them know you're not going to put up with it.

[vinnox]

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I'd bet. But I wouldn't have called the preflop raise in the first place. 85, even suited, -- ugh, not good enough. The value of suitedness is at it's lowest against only one opponent compared to any other number of opponents. It's not connected, it's not a one gapper, it's a two gapper - and it's Eight high. Garba`ge.

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I agree. Weakish preflop but likes his hand and overaggressive postflop doesn't sound good for a small suited hand.