NL50 & 100, KK becoming a routine fold to all-in preflop vs. unknown?

[Gobias Ind.]

I don't inquire about higher limits b/c I assume those games are played on levels beyond my comprehension at this point in time.


I feel like my KK is running into AA a ton lately preflop and I'm really starting to question whether its a leak to be calling off preflop for full(ish) stacks w/ KK. I asked this question a year ago and the response was to undoubtedly get it in preflop at NL50 & 100.

Do you still feel this way? Do you often find yourself folding KK to a 3bet shove vs. unknown?

[RyanCMU]

There are maybe 5-6 NL100 regs I fold KK to preflop... And I don't think I have ever folded KK 100bb deep or less to an unkown ever.

Obv. there could be some crazy circumstance where like a unkown cold 4 or 5bet shoves and it's back to us not closing the action...

But generally, I think its a leak to be looking for spots to fold KK preflop especially vs unkowns at these levels.

[AlexB182]

I hate calling AI PF with KK. Just sucks playing good, solid poker for a whole session and than losing like 100BBs to some donk shoving his AA and hoping to get some idiot calling him(me in this case).
Yet, against an unknown, I would call more often than not, depending very much on his PF play (if someone limp/reraises AI from EP for example, I tend to fold most of the time).

[Jeans]

I have the same problem, with kings I have been beat more times then not when all the money went all-in preflop, at NL100 I'm actually starting to think I should fold KK to a push preflop

[5string]

I rarely fold KK preflop unless its against a well known nit with vpip under 10, against an unknown I usually try to get it in.

[Kos13]

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Do you often find yourself folding KK to a 3bet shove vs. unknown?

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3bet shove? You mean you're raising 3-4x the big blind, and they're shoving and showing up with AA?

[Gobias Ind.]

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Do you often find yourself folding KK to a 3bet shove vs. unknown?

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3bet shove? You mean you're raising 3-4x the big blind, and they're shoving and showing up with AA?

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YES

[GiantBuddha]

And this happens often?

You should catch KK vs. AA about once every 5300 hands. You shoud catch AA vs. KK about once every 5300 hands. This will tend to balance out. If you saved your entire stack every time you had KK vs. AA this would improve your winrate by almost .6BB. Of course, this is impossible, as you've usually already put some money in by the time you think someone has AA.

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3bet shove? You mean you're raising 3-4x the big blind, and they're shoving and showing up with AA?

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Anyway, this question is really about the ratio of shove with the nuts donkeys versus shove with ATC donkeys. I think we need a donkologist to answer this question properly.

[BigBiceps]

Depends on ...

a) stack sizes
b) opponents stats
c) how the opponent views me
d) how the action went down preflop with all of the other players
e) if it feels like AA based on bet timing and other parameters

[leatangclan]

After I have been laughed at a few times, I have adopted a more agressive posture with KK. I have been calling ai with them, pre and post flop. So far I have ran into AA the last 3 out of 4 times; and have lost on the river the last two times. So I have only won 1 out the last six times with KK since I have taken the agreesive approach. I'm going to continue with this approach until my luck turns around or I'm out of money [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]