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Old 11-08-2006, 03:42 PM
Esperante Esperante is offline
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Default QQ, wierd flop action, helpaments?

need help with turn line...
do i bet here?

SB is 23/17/3
BTN is 40/8/1.6

I've been playing fairly LAGish, imagine table thinks im fairly Donkish as well.


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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $8</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($26, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $16</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $46</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($164, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets ???

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Old 11-08-2006, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: QQ, wierd flop action, helpaments?

Tough one. The cold calls by both opp. of your raise on the flop would scare the crap out of me. If I had a tight image I might even c/fold the turn. Problem is SB might have a straight draw, and BTN seems donkish anways plus your image is poor. A check here doesn't seem so bad since you will get to act last if button decides to bet and can reasses. Cold calls of flop raises always scare me though, esp on this type of board with just a few straight draws. And unless your image sucks alot I don't see either of them calling a push with anything you beat. So basically a push would be a push n pray type deal. (assumed 100bb stacks?)
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Old 11-08-2006, 04:15 PM
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Default Re: QQ, wierd flop action, helpaments?

I check this behind on the turn with the intentions of calling a bet on the turn. His range here is pretty wide, but I don't really see this sort of villain calling a turn bet with a hand like AT. I do, however, see a hand like AT possibly betting the river if you check behind on the turn. If he checks river, $80 seems to be a good value bet to throw out there.
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Old 11-08-2006, 04:42 PM
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Default Re: QQ, wierd flop action, helpaments?

[ QUOTE ]
I check this behind on the turn with the intentions of calling a bet on the turn. His range here is pretty wide, but I don't really see this sort of villain calling a turn bet with a hand like AT. I do, however, see a hand like AT possibly betting the river if you check behind on the turn. If he checks river, $80 seems to be a good value bet to throw out there.

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I can't follow your post at all, but I think you may be missing that there are two villains, w/ hero sammiched between them.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:15 PM
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Don't bet. SB probably has a set or something and just called because he wants Button's money. I would be very surprised if you're ahead here.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:33 PM
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With SB's stats and that line, I think if you bet this turn, he's raising AI.
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:00 PM
Gawuss Gawuss is offline
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Default Re: QQ, wierd flop action, helpaments?

hmm sorry but I can't still remember, what does these numbers mean ( 23/17/3 ) I know they are from Poker Tracker or somethin like that but don't know actually which exactly ( PFR , AF etc. )?!
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Old 11-08-2006, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: QQ, wierd flop action, helpaments?

yeah this is a tough spot...

23/17/3
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vpip/pfr/AF

i will post the rest of the hand right later...
for now consensus was to c/c

although im not thrilled with the response so far.
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Old 11-08-2006, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: QQ, wierd flop action, helpaments?

Stack sizes would help. Given average stack size, turn is a shove IMO.
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:05 PM
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SB has $426.10 at start of hand
BTN has $220.35
HERO has $408.45
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