Do I need to call the river with KK here?

[BigBiceps]

NL100, effective stack size 70, full ring - 10 handed.

Folded around to button who raises to 3.5, I call in the small blind with KK. Big Blind folds. Pot 8.0.

Flop QJ3 with 2 clubs. I check-call 8.0. Pot 24.0.

Turn 6. I check-call 24.0. Pot 72.0.

River 8. I check, he bets enough to put me allin, (my last $35, getting 3-1).


1. Do I need to call here (mostly due to the way I played the hand)?

2. Should I have bet out on the turn and folded to a raise?

I realize obviously this is not the standard way to play KK.

[SilverLining1]

Reads on opponent:

1. I usually reraise here preflop.

2. QJ against a button, especially if he is aggressive, is pretty dangerous territory. KA, 109, K10, club draws are amongst a myriad of problematic hands. Obv., [censored] like JJ, QQ, QJ are plausible holdings that have you beat already. If you're going to check (which I don't do here), you should be check raising and getting him all in there with his QA, KQ and folding his draws/paying for them. You'll get value from QA/KQ because a lot of people will assuming you are on a flush draw/straight draw. If you bet and he pushes, you still should call...though it would give me pause and if I had a good read on his play, I may lay it down.

2. If you bet here on the turn, you are basically committed, so no, don't fold to a raise.

3. Call the river because of pot odds. He still has KQ, QA enough here to make things profitable.

This is a pretty inescapable hand at 70BB (maybe not so at 100BB and definitely not so at 100BB+) and, from the looks of it, he had QJ? Hopefully he had 109 so you could learn from your mistake here, which basically was not betting out the flop.

[wpr101]

Yea you should probably call that. The 9T draw missed, and AQ is a likely hand... in addition to the good odds you mentioned, this has to be +EV.

[flo]

As played you have to call.

[pho75]

Is there a reason you played this so slow?

[True]

re-raise PF, c/r AI turn, c/c river or push yourself.

Doesn't matter.

True

[SUfan5]

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The 9T draw missed

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That draw actually did get there on the river. Either way, I'd still call this river given how you underrepresented your hand and you're getting good odds on the river call.

[BigBiceps]

Yes, I usually reraise preflop here as well.
I played it slow to check-raise the flop, as I expected a continuation bet due to his aggressive nature. However, I did not like the flop enough to checkraise, and I did not hate it enough to fold.

[SilverLining1]

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Yes, I usually reraise preflop here as well.
I played it slow to check-raise the flop, as I expected a continuation bet due to his aggressive nature. However, I did not like the flop enough to checkraise, and I did not hate it enough to fold.

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This last part is more of an emotional argument than a logical one.

[BigBiceps]

Results in white below:

<font color="white"> He had QJs. It turns out it was inevitable for me to lose my stack this hand, because I am fairly certain he is going to call a pot size reraise preflop with position. The only way I could get away without losing my stack this hand, I guess would be to reraise preflop and then lead the flop for 3/4 of my stack and then fold to a raise but then I lose 25 instead of 70, which might be better, but I am not sure because sometimes I am still folding the winner, and I am winning less when he has nothing. </font>