JJ river call or raise?

[Peter]

Opponent is 40/9/0.6. Do I need to call or raise the river?

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Preflop: Peter is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Peter raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Peter bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Peter bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>,

[iggymcfly]

It took some thinking, but I say raise. 40's not loose enough that he's going to call you with any T6 or T4 PF, and I don't think he's passive enough not to raise TT at some point. Also, this is a really, really odd line for a 3, and I doubt that he has that either. This looks like either AT or T7. I suppose that an oddly played 65 is a possibility, but I think you're ahead more often than not.

[goofball]

His hand looks like a 3 that is getting tricky for some reason.

[MATT111]

I call expecting to loose frequently. A player this passive does not donk 1p hands that often.

[Peter]

But wouldn't this be one of those boards that will get donked by one pair hands because of the lack of high cards?

[danzasmack]

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But wouldn't this be one of those boards that will get donked by one pair hands because of the lack of high cards?

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Yeah I guess but a lot of times players like this will turn the straight and not know what to do so they just call. Then the river comes and they are like "omg i have to bet, what id HE checks!"

[drywater]

I would be suspicious of the 3. I dont like when passive players bet into me. They usualy have a great hand , a good hand or a bluff. Very rarely they bet mediocre hands.

The question is , do our good hand beat his good hand?

Remember players, a pair is only a pair.

Any comments?

Good variance

[Krafty]

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I would be suspicious of the 3. I dont like when passive players bet into me. They usualy have a great hand , a good hand or a bluff. Very rarely they bet mediocre hands.



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Vague? What are you characterizing as great, good, mediocre?

[Guido]

I would probably just call. He's either bluffing and you won't get any more money. If he isn't bluffing he has to have a T to get any more money when ahead. Any other hand will call or 3-bet and you will lose. So only if he has a T you miss one bet.

I can't think of many hands that will have a T so IMO the chance of winning one more BB are way to small to make a raise +EV.

Thanks,

Guido

[geormiet]

Would definitely raise this. This looks like a river donk with a weak pair that he thinks is "protected" because the board looks scary. Fold to 3 bet is fine...unless you have no clue who he is or if you know he's capable of being crazy.