35s makes bottom twopair on PP 5-10 6max

[Durer]

100bb stacks, no reads, i have been playing my usual shorthanded lag-way, nothing extreme.

all fold, raise to 35$ in CO with 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB calls

flop: (80$) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

he check i check

turn80$) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He bets 45, i raise to 135, he raises to 315

I ?

[AlwaysAir]

*bottom two pair

[creedofhubris]

all you beat is a goofily-played aa/kk. judge for yourself how likely that is.

[BluffTHIS!]

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he check i check

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What were you doing? Slowplaying and trapping with bottom pair? You raised pre, have position and got a piece of the board. By checking you forfeited your ability to take down a small pot uncontested and to have a better read on his hand. If you aren't going to bet the flop in those situations then you should just fold those hands or don't raise with them.

[flawless_victory]

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I ?

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SHOVE.

BTW/like that flop check.

[MDMA]

I def agree w/ F_V. Flop check is fine (don't get why anyone would argue against that), and I shove on turn here as well most likely.

You checked flop and raised on a blank 5. Most of the time he's gonna figure you for exactly 55 or air, and his 3-bet could very well be air/light here, even a T sometimes and definately overpairs being possible. If you call I think he will shutdown w/ a lot (since it's clear you have something), but a shove just might get called if he doesn't believe you. Also a lot of cards would probably kill your action from a lot of his hands if you just called.

[klonpucko]

this makes no sense. flop check is good, no doubt about it.

ps. i would take this to the feeeeeeeeelt

[Lucky]

I prob fold to his turn 3 bet.

How likely is he to think you are to check flop with overcards, then raise his turn bet? His turn action then is not a draw, he obviously doesnt play J9 like this, so he's either got monster or air. I guess if you going to continue, call turn 3 bet and hope he fires again on river.

But again, I fold to turn action. Also, I'm betting flop.

[ahnuld]

Flop check is fine, personally I bet but check occasionally to mix it up. If turn comes 9 and he leads, I gotta fold, so I prefer betting, have some KT hand call, and then I get to play in posiiton and only put more money in when beat.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

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all you beat is a goofily-played aa/kk. judge for yourself how likely that is.

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i think this is a pretty bad way to think of this hand. I think you can beat a lot of hands that might play this way, like a ten, a semibluff draw, blah blah.