Vegas 8/16-10/20 or Commerce 9/18?

[VBCurtis]

I'm looking to take a shot at a bigger game than my local 4/8 and 6/12 games, which I beat reasonably well ($8-10/hr over 150 hours). I've sweated the Commerce 9, and it feels beatable-- I can identify mistakes players are making, and most of the time can locate a seat at the table I'd feel like a favorite in.
Where would you take a first shot at a bigger game? I'm spending most of next week in Vegas, and have all summer to grow the balls for Commerce 9 if I don't play higher than 6/12 in Vegas next week.
Perhaps I'm asking the wrong question-- do you take shots when you run hot and feel on top of your game? Rather than obsessing over where, should I just wait until I run good and move up wherever I'm playing that day?
-curtis

[Photoc]

LA Games are much looser and softer than Vegas games. There are exactly two 8/16 games and one 10/20 game in the city of Vegas nowadays.

[spino1i]

The games are softer in LA but the rake is significantly higher (probably twice as high) compared to Vegas. Id prolly go with Vegas.

[fellfold]

If you can afford it, just take the shot in either place. The difference is mostly the scared money factor. If you are used to playing 6/12, 8/16 is only 25% bigger anyway?

[Equidae]

I don't mean to be a buzzkill here, but that's an incredibly small sample to consider "beating the game." If you really think that you are beating the game it shouldn't be based on and hourly rate over 150 hours. With a sample that small it should be based on how well you're playing. If you think that you are playing well enough to move up do it, but don't let a winrate like that affect your decision. Good luck with whatever you do....and I'd probably say Vegas....come on....IT'S VEGAS!

[counterspell]

live 8/16 games are a joke.
don't worry about it, just move up if you have the roll.

[the_doantster]

I play the Commerce 9-18 regularly, it's a good game, the players are by far the loosest players I have ever played against. If you play a tight aggressive game you should do good there but be prepared for the occasional bad beat.

[sternroolz]

I play all three. My play is almost exclusively late night(after 9pm until 3 or 4am) on weekends. I contend that the daytime $9-18 at Commerce is too tight for even a good player to overcome the rake. Daytime $8-16 and $10-20 in Vegas is not ever worth bothering with most of the year.

Commerce $9-18. I have over 600 hours the past two years and beating it for $27 an hour Its very beatable...ridiculously so. Most of the players are awful. If you can beat $6-12 LHE anywhere, you can beat this game. But be aware that the games are so loose that swings are wicked bad. My worst downswing was over $3K. If you are just taking a shot over a weekend....a $1800 BR should suffice. Any less than that and you risk going busto on day 1.

Vegas $8-16. There is a game at Bellagio and a game at Wynn. Wynn is nicer and you don't have to think F.U. about any of the employees, but the games are much tougher on average than Bellagio. Lines are long. The game is no where near as good as Commerce's $9-18 but the rake is cheaper, drinks are free, and variance is low. Play standard LHEFAP and you will do fine.

Mirage $10-20: Some people don't like this game. But I do not think it is tough at all. Play a modified LHEFAP, being extremely aggressive in position. Steal and bluff a lot, except against the old guy with the glasses and the crazy hair. He is a decent player, but calls down with anything if he thinks you bluff. When the games gets loose(and it will if you get caught bluffing a couple times) adjust your game back to TAG.

Overall, it really depends why you are going.....are you wanting poker exclusively, or

[the_doantster]

what do you look like stern? if you're a regular there i'm sure i've ran into you a few times.

[NotMitch]

The wynn 8/16 is a great game. Im playing it today. It can be very agressive though so be ready for a wild ride.