PS 20/180: Fishhooks on the first hand

[registrar]

In general, I like both approaches.

However here, I would donk bet 300 because I'm pretty sure he'll call. I may even bet less to show weakness but to keep sweetening the pot. My line would definitely be to represent that style on the 180 that we've come to know and love where someone just keeps sticking in small bets because they don't know what else to do.

A different tournie, agaisnt a better field of players, and I might check behind on the turn to induce a bluff on the river. In the 180, I would imagine that the majority of players would read this as weakness but not have the guts to do anything about it and just be happy to get to show down.

[seke2]

Fair enough.

Quickie results.

I basically opted for the ZBT line. For some reason I decided I had to bet more than I did on the flop, so I bet 400 instead of 300, and Villain folded. In hindsight, I was debating bet-check-bet as schauvit suggested, and wanted to see what the consensus here was.

[Deluzi0nalM]

my thoughts are so.. preflop your raise isn't too big for a MTT and i have a feeling MP1 called because of his odds and people hate tossing hands once invested. On the flop, the smooth call of MP1 makes me think he has a 6, 77, A7, or OESD.. my thoughts on this turn are to overbet the pot making it look as though you hit a jack and are isolating. Reasons here are, AQ flush draw will call here for odds to overcard hit, 6 will smooth call thinking he has you trapped, as will 7.. no one thinks you are betting JJ or your diamond draw so play aggressive and keep them calling.. because if you bet small and they raise and you call.. then they wonder if they are best with A-6

[ZBTHorton]

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my thoughts are so.. preflop your raise isn't too big for a MTT and i have a feeling MP1 called because of his odds and people hate tossing hands once invested. On the flop, the smooth call of MP1 makes me think he has a 6, 77, A7, or OESD.. my thoughts on this turn are to overbet the pot making it look as though you hit a jack and are isolating. Reasons here are, AQ flush draw will call here for odds to overcard hit, 6 will smooth call thinking he has you trapped, as will 7.. no one thinks you are betting JJ or your diamond draw so play aggressive and keep them calling.. because if you bet small and they raise and you call.. then they wonder if they are best with A-6

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I don't think this makes any sense.

If we bet, and they raise. We're all in, or so close to it that it doesn't matter.

I don't see how overbetting the flop can possibly be a good idea. <-- on the turn that is.

[seke2]

I think your range for MP1 on the very first hand of a SNG is ridiculously tight. What about an overpair to the board, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, etc. This is the first hand of a 20/180.

[MaddHatter]

check behind, if he checks the river, push to represent a desperate bluff that missed a draw

[ghostwriter]

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Fair enough.

Quickie results.

I basically opted for the ZBT line. For some reason I decided I had to bet more than I did on the flop, so I bet 400 instead of 300, and Villain folded. In hindsight, I was debating bet-check-bet as schauvit suggested, and wanted to see what the consensus here was.

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FWIW

I like a check better than a bet. Villian doesn't check the flop and turn with any hand that can catch up to you. (AA,KK,QQ) and turn bet may force him to fold a hand that is drawing dead.