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[Sarge85]

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Raise > Fold >>>> Call

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If the pot was smaller (not raised preflop) then we have a stronger argument for:

Fold > Raise >>>> Call

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If the SB wasn't still in the hand I think we'd have a stronger argument for

Call >>>>> Raise >>>> Fold

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

[Second Toughest]

I assume it's 4 to the flop.

Raise, but I'd fold if played back at.

[tyler_cracker]

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Raise > Fold >>>> Call

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If the pot was smaller (not raised preflop) then we have a stronger argument for:

Fold > Raise >>>> Call

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If the SB wasn't still in the hand I think we'd have a stronger argument for

Call >>>>> Raise >>>> Fold

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if instead of poker we're talking about a choice between getting your laundry out of the dryer, speaking with your deaf grandma on the telephone, or erecting a barn with your amish neighbors:

fold > call > raise

[bozlax]

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erecting a barn with your amish neighbors

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"'Tis a fine barn, English, but certainly 'tis no pool"

"D'oheth!"

Riku, might wanna double-check your coversions before submitting, avoids confusions like this since I can't really tell whether the coverter screwed up preflop action or just counting the players. 7/8-handed is the bubble; 6-max it's a raise; 9/10-handed it's a limp.

nh

[BadBigBabar]

boz, a raise is fine even at fr

[bozlax]

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boz, a raise is fine even at fr

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babar, no, it's not

[BadBigBabar]

okay, let me clarify: i raised it utg at fr for the last year and a half or so of online fr grinding (a good part of which was 1/2) and it was +ev for me. i agree it's marginal if you don't play well postflop; same as raising kqo or kjs or ato or ats utg. in that case just folding it is fine.

[tyler_cracker]

a data point which i'm sure will be tremendously helpful: i limp/raise 88 utg about 50/50 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. adjusting to table conditions ftw.

[bozlax]

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okay, let me clarify: i raised it utg at fr for the last year and a half or so of online fr grinding (a good part of which was 1/2) and it was +ev for me. i agree it's marginal if you don't play well postflop; same as raising kqo or kjs or ato or ats utg. in that case just folding it is fine.

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Who said anything about folding?

While I agree that 1/2 is generally tighter than other micro limits, making playing mid-pairs for set value not necessarily the best play, I think you need to actually have the table-read that a UTG raise will likely take you to the flop HU (or at worst 3-handed) before you make that raise. Against unknowns, I'm more likely to limp.

But, we've been through this enough. 77-99 are hard to play in EP. As you point out, the level of your postflop play is what should actually dictate your line.

Edit: Babar, I've played a ton of fr 1/2, never at FT, but at Intertops, Stars, PP, yada yada, and I don't understand what you mean by not being able to "get away" with a UTG limp in that game.