How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Bullpucky happens. I've had the same thing happen to me. If the dealer is just a schmuck who doesn't give a damn about poker, who sits around, waiting to get tipped, don't tip for a while.

If there were extenuating circumstances (floor distracting them, hidden cards, quiet verbal bet) then consider is this dealer conscientious, careful and always trying to improve? If so, and it was purely an accident, let them slide.

I have ways to ensure all action is complete before I burn and turn, thus I've only ever done this twice, both times with someone hiding their cards. Some dealers do this virtually every day. Some people, like me, care about poker. Some don't, they just wanna get tipped.

Spread your tip money around according to who deserves it. But remember, dealers are human, even the best make mistakes occasionally. Plus, it's much much harder than it looks.

[mordecaibrown]

I'm reading these b.s. threads too much lately......
Dude if you don't tip then it's your business.

If you are the "professional" that you claim to be please let me ask you one question.
Why aren't you handling the situation like a professional?

By the way moderator---this should be locked down....as stated above.
Most of you are the ones who like to read all the flaming anyway but that's another post all in itself.
Many props to Al JR who has the right idea.
I'd love to sit in your game any day.

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
I have ways to ensure all action is complete before I burn and turn, thus I've only ever done this twice, both times with someone hiding their cards. Some dealers do this virtually every day. Some people, like me, care about poker. Some don't, they just wanna get tipped.

Spread your tip money around according to who deserves it. But remember, dealers are human, even the best make mistakes occasionally. Plus, it's much much harder than it looks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Good points Al.

I usually have to stop a dealer from burning and turning too early about twice a month. If I'm acting last the dealer usually isn't paying attention since I tend to make my checks and bets in a straight-forward manner. At the same time I won't act out of turn so sometimes the dealer is in a hurry to move the game along and assumes I checked the button before the action is really on me. So unfortunately I have to be ready to call "time" with vehemence in order to protect my action.

Note that acting last when its checked to the type of player who doesn't make his action clear opens up a possible angle. With a sloppy dealer an unethical player can do nothing when the action is on him and maybe the dealer thinks he checked and will burn and turn. If the button gets the card he wants he says nothing. If he doesn't he can say "hey, I didn't act" and call for a ruling. He'll usually get another chance at a card he wants (or avoid a card he doesn't want).

~ Rick

[ptartaglio]

Flytrap did the dealer rap the table, if the dealer did and you didn't stop the dealer you should blame yourself. This is a common dealer mistake. Players can protect the game by stopping the dealer. All dealers should tap the table before dealing the next card. It gives the player enough time to stop the dealer. You sound like a newbie, this is gonna happen over and over again. Sometimes it will hurt you and sometimes it will help you. Get used to it.