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Old 11-28-2007, 11:33 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

holy [censored] are you serious ? fold this pronto !

BB(or anyone else in the hand for that matter) is never calling tight enough to make this +EV.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

BE w/ BB at 5%, SB @ 12% and BTN at 10%, you don't think you get that holy? All players should be calling significantly tighter based on pure ICM than those above ranges, I think they're pretty generous.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:02 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

meh vers those are really tight ranges, not saying i would never push this but the stars would have to align pretty well.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:21 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

from btn it becomes an easy shove?
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

The shorties don't set up well in this hand, they're probably calling too wide & then if we have a moron BB, makes it even worse.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

BB's call isn't that terrible. He must know that he's way ahead of your range, and if he wins, he's a huge favorite to win 1st. If he loses, he's still got a few chips to try to sneak into 3rd with a couple other short stacks still around.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

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BB's call isn't that terrible. He must know that he's way ahead of your range

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They are the two big stacks - but I don't think I could fold AQ. Especially if UTG had been doing this a lot.

Maybe this is why I go out on the bubble all the time... I just wouldn't make that fold.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

Even if BBs call was horrifically bad for him, its worse for us. I don't see any reason at all to shove here.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:55 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

Even if utg is shoving 100%, AQo is -0.5%. His call is horrible as OP probably isn't shoving worse than like top 45-50 ish... Or maybe a range with less K/Q rags and more mid suited connectors, making it lower than that.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:24 AM
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Default Re: 16: I thought this was a fairly standard push

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BE w/ BB at 5%, SB @ 12% and BTN at 10%, you don't think you get that holy? All players should be calling significantly tighter based on pure ICM than those above ranges, I think they're pretty generous.

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They call a fair bit wider than that. They are like, ICM, isn't that like a nuclear missile?
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