My Battle with mu_empire

[Schmitty 87]

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Can you talk about Laydown #3 plz? Wow. Does he only shove the nuts or something (I noticed he did the same in hand #1)? Or does he balance that move and you were just convinced he had it?

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well i can give you my opinion from watching the watch to hopefully tide you over until ae can answer.

what kind of bluff/v-shoving worse are you expecting him to show up with? i don't think he'd shove a flush, not to mention he'd almost assuredly c-bet the flop with one. i feel the same for high diamonds (Adx, Kdx) in that mu_empire will bet the flop almost every time because he likes 3-betting a c/r (he's spewy in that way). the only hand i can maybe see is Ad9x or something like that, but again i don't think he's checking the flop, and even if he did i can't see him flatting the turn. from the flow of the match i don't see him shoving air here either, as he didn't seem to be tilting at all at this point.

44 makes SOOOO much sense to me, and i think he has it at least 75% of the time.

edit: fwiw i think ae is wrong in that mu_empire could get to the river like that with 109 any reasonable % of the time, though his opinion is obviously more qualified than mine.

[Nielsio]

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Can you talk about Laydown #3 plz? Wow. Does he only shove the nuts or something (I noticed he did the same in hand #1)? Or does he balance that move and you were just convinced he had it?

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well i can give you my opinion from watching the watch to hopefully tide you over until ae can answer.

what kind of bluff/v-shoving worse are you expecting him to show up with? i don't think he'd shove a flush, not to mention he'd almost assuredly c-bet the flop with one. i feel the same for high diamonds (Adx, Kdx) in that mu_empire will bet the flop almost every time because he likes 3-betting a c/r (he's spewy in that way). the only hand i can maybe see is Ad9x or something like that, but again i don't think he's checking the flop, and even if he did i can't see him flatting the turn. from the flow of the match i don't see him shoving air here either, as he didn't seem to be tilting at all at this point.

44 makes SOOOO much sense to me, and i think he has it at least 75% of the time.

edit: fwiw i think ae is wrong in that mu_empire could get to the river like that with 109 any reasonable % of the time, though his opinion is obviously more qualified than mine.

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Yeah, this is a good analysis and I feel the same, but later on you see the guy making ridiculous spewtastic moves meaning rational analysis goes way down and absolute hand value goes up. But yeah, gameflow has to do with it as well. People change their play when it gets swongy.

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[Keyser.]

semi-sick fold with deuces (although i admit i didn't see how big of an overbet it was at first). who is this mu_empire guy anyway? has he shared what he had that hand?

[cameronbarry]

wow wow oo very fun read aejones thank you. i played this guy briefly but quit him as he seemed to be playing reasonably well. now that i see these hands i'm going to looking out for him.

i like your 22 fold, as well as the two JJ folds. i really like the play of most of these hands, with the exception of some river raises (AJ v A4) that make no sense to me. feasibly given flow and how/how much you were bluffing they could be good but in a vacuum i don't get them at all.

anyway sick sick session

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wp sir

[rsxpunk]

i watched u guys for a few minutes.....i almost sat w/him right before you sat down after pasters thread, but realized that playing a maniac hu for 20% of my br prob wasnt too good.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

yea lol i forgot about the hand where i like minreraise him four times with top pair no kicker, but i was dying to felt based on the aggression on dry a hi flops in the match

[fslexcduck]

if you're gonna fold JJ on the 776 board to a raise, checking behind there on the flop is so much better... why did you bet?

if u check he will bluff into you or you'll get value easily but against someone hyper aggro bet/folding that board is awful imo

[Ship Ship McGipp]

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if you're gonna fold JJ on the 776 board to a raise, checking behind there on the flop is so much better... why did you bet?

if u check he will bluff into you or you'll get value easily but against someone hyper aggro bet/folding that board is awful imo

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i agree that checking behind is viable, but i bet for value and to protect my hand becasue i can easily get CCed by draws and by worse one pair hands.

bet folding is no where near awful for a 3x pot bet, i mean seriously? it's risk reward vs this guy, i wrote in my blog response to gabe that i would have called two kings instantly, and two queens after debate. it's mostly having to deal with the % of time he has an overpair and the size of it, and the amount of equity taht his overcard + club draw hands have vs my range.

it is super unfortunate that my hand was at the bottom end of my made hand range for betting that flop, but i folded pretty quickly once he insta shoved. i might have tanked a lil but i think in my mind i folded almost the second he shoved. he was hyper aggro when checked to, but not hyper aggro to CR. my c-bets, in fact, had a tremendous success rate.