AA waits till turn

[numbnuts007]

yeah, I raise while I can. Having utg+1 trapped here is great. utg may not bet the turn and if he does utg+1 may fold. Not to mention that if turn is a spade (which it will be 20% of the time) then you're just calling all the way to the river with a great hand.

I feel like some kind of cliche is appropriate here, like: "a fish in the hand is worth two in the river," or maybe "raise ye pots while ye may."

[numbnuts007]

damn it. that was my addict post. I can't believe I couldn't come up with anything better for my freaking 400th post. Those weren't even good cliches.

[Gurravasa]

think about what BB would donk and act accordingly. I wouldn't be to happy about my hand here against a decent player. Twopair, straight, SD, FD and sets is in his range. If I raise it's because I hope BB reraises and pushes UTG+1 out of the pot. But I would just call flop and reevaluate turn. I don't think I'll raise anywhere in this hand if the board doesn't pair or if I hit a set.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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think about what BB would donk and act accordingly. I wouldn't be to happy about my hand here against a decent player. Twopair, straight, SD, FD and sets is in his range. If I raise it's because I hope BB reraises and pushes UTG+1 out of the pot. But I would just call flop and reevaluate turn. I don't think I'll raise anywhere in this hand if the board doesn't pair or if I hit a set.

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[numbnuts007]

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think about what BB would donk and act accordingly. I wouldn't be to happy about my hand here against a decent player. Twopair, straight, SD, FD and sets is in his range. If I raise it's because I hope BB reraises and pushes UTG+1 out of the pot. But I would just call flop and reevaluate turn. I don't think I'll raise anywhere in this hand if the board doesn't pair or if I hit a set.

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wow, really? do others agree with this?

[Burnsabre]

raise now, this is some smallish pair/draw alot that will freeze up to about half the deck on the turn.

[thepizzlefosho]

I'm raising the flop because there are a lot of cards that drop on the turn that make me not as happy with my hand/ not want to be calling turn 3-bets. Plus they probably have crap and I have no problem with fast playing flops with the best hand.

[johnnyrocket]

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I'm raising the flop because there are a lot of cards that drop on the turn that make me not as happy with my hand/ not want to be calling turn 3-bets. Plus they probably have crap and I have no problem with fast playing flops with the best hand.

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yes but they will both almost certainly call another turn bet, its not protecting our hand, just juicing up the pot for the turn

[acehole60]

You make good points and my default is definitely to raise the flop. But my reasoning was like this: I expect BB to bet again on a lot of turn cards. Maybe not a spade 4 or 5 unless he hit a draw. I'm not worried about UTG+1. BB's range is a lot of one pair hands, straight draws (including gutshots) and flush draws - of course there's sets and two pair as well (I discount these a bit because he didn't go for the CR on the drawy board to force out UTG+1).
Against this range my equity changes dramatically on the turn, so when a non scare card falls (almost every scare card for my opponent is a scare card for me too) and BB leads out I get to raise two players with the improved equity. If a scare card hits and he still bets I can call down now that my equity is even lower still.

I think this is a reasonable thought process but is my logic flawed anywhere? Or is it just better to get the bets in now?

[acehole60]

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think about what BB would donk and act accordingly. I wouldn't be to happy about my hand here against a decent player. Twopair, straight, SD, FD and sets is in his range. If I raise it's because I hope BB reraises and pushes UTG+1 out of the pot. But I would just call flop and reevaluate turn. I don't think I'll raise anywhere in this hand if the board doesn't pair or if I hit a set.

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wow, really? do others agree with this?

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Definitely not. I have the best hand an overwhelming amount of the time. I think my dillemma is whether to get bets in on the flop or on most turn cards.