yay me managed to turn pkt kings into a bluff

[PBFan]

if you push that you're horrible imo

[pig]

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if you push that you're horrible imo

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Thanks it felt wrong at the time so we check fold then?

[pig]

Not going to defend my play at all, i believe i played it badly but my table image was pretty tight and fwiw the villain in the hand had shown he was capable of calling a raise and folding to a bet previously.

[Tackleberry]

There´s not much you can do here.

You reraised an early-position-raiser preflop and Villain called you. That probably means that he has a PP (like 99-QQ). If he had AA/AK he certainly would have reraised you for isolation. So maybe he has AQs, but unless Villain is a complete donk there are not much more unpaired hands that I could imagine.

Said this you are either way ahead (against a smaller PP) or way behind (against AQ). Check-fold is definitely too weak here. The pot has 1,710, your remaining stack is 1,405. Imho you´re committed anyway and destined to lose your stack is Villain has an A. On the other hand you don´t want to lose Villain when he holds something like QQ for example. So I made a "normal" contibet of about 700 and called a push.

By the way - you had UTG in a nice squeeze position, so the only way to prevent this situation would have been to reraise less pf, say making it 450. UTG would have been a hard decision and if he folded and Villain had called, you would have had a manageable pot with position.

While writing this I even come to the conclusion that the push is just not that bad (what was the buy-in?) as this massive bet could lead Villain with QQ to the conclusion that you have no Ace ... in the lowest stakes this might not function but in the middle/higher stakes it could even be a valid line. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Summarized - a check-fold is out of discussion and if you immediately push or bet-call the flop depends on your reads on your opponent.

[pig]

Thanks for your considered reply tackleberry.
The buy in was $20 fo/ about 100 runners
At the time with the way it played out i honestly didnt see what else i could do.
Cheers

[wylies]

You have position on him correct? Why not just check behind him on the flop looking to get it in on the turn?

Villian is either way ahead and calling your flop bet or drawing to 2 outs with a smaller pp. The only way IMO you can get value from a worse hand is to check behind and see what he does on the turn. He could bet the turn with all hands he'd call the flop with along with lower pp's hoping to bluff you off of KK or QQ which he'd have to think is in your range at this point.

[brad2002tj]

Standerd.

[drcapn]

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You have position on him correct? Why not just check behind him on the flop looking to get it in on the turn?

Villian is either way ahead and calling your flop bet or drawing to 2 outs with a smaller pp. The only way IMO you can get value from a worse hand is to check behind and see what he does on the turn. He could bet the turn with all hands he'd call the flop with along with lower pp's hoping to bluff you off of KK or QQ which he'd have to think is in your range at this point.

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I think this is clearly the best analysis so far. The bet on the flop won't fold hands better than you and might fold hands worse than you, who would otherwise take a shot on the turn.

Villian's range has not been discussed in detail, I'll start by stating the obvious:

(1) Cold calls 3bb PFR from early raiser
(2) Pot reraised, calls 540 into a pot of 1170 (~2.2:1)
(3) Checks the flop with Ace on board

He has 1750 left (29BB) and pot is 1710. He is comfortable enough to bluff at the pot on the turn.

So he really wanted to see a flop, but is not interested in taking a shot after the flop. AQs, AJs, ATs, maybe even KQs,QJs,JTs; middle to high pocket pairs. The aces aren't folding, but the others probably will, IMO, to the flop bet.
Thus I really don't see a reason to bet the flop.

[Rocco]

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if you push that you're horrible imo

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Check-folding is horrible IMO...