Lloyd Carr Retiring

[Annulus]

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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../71120011/1048

Bodoglife.com has posted odds on who the next Michigan coach will be:

Les Miles, LSU coach -- 2/1
Kirk Ferentz, Iowa coach -- 9/2
Mike Trgovac, Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator -- 5/1
Brian Kelly, Cincinnati coach and former Central Michigan and Grand Valley coach -- 6/1
Ron English, U-M defensive coordinator -- 6/1
Bret Bielema, Wisconsin coach -- 7/1
Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons coach -- 10/1
Jon Gruden, Tampa Bay Bucs coach -- 10/1
Jim Harbaugh, Stanford coach and U-M alum -- 10/1
Bill Cowher, ex-Pittsburgh Steelers coach -- 15/1
Field (all others) -- 2/1

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Surprised WVU coach is not on that list. Also, there is no way Harbaugh could ever coach at Michigan after his comments? Why is he still being mentioned, are people that stupid. Not to say that he wouln't be the perfect canidate otherwise.

And, Im reading how Deborg (Off. coor.) would deserve an interview and would be considered, nfw. The guy imho is one of the first guys who needs to be kicked out of Ann Arbor.

[damaniac]

Bigger issue with Harbaugh is that he's been a coach at a scholarship-giving university for 10/11 games. He's not yet proven he's good at that. Did very well at SDU but no idea on how he'll do at Stanford. 3 wins at Stanford given their talent and schedule isn't necessarily bad but it's not really good either; he needs a few years. Considering him because of the USC win would be Notre Dame-like.

I don't know that he can make up for those comments, either, but even if he hadn't made them hiring him would be awful.

[Annulus]

I hear you about Harbaugh being inexpierienced in big time CFB, but I think most will agree that he was bred to be a coach. He grew up as a kid hanging out at college football practice all day with his dad who was a long time head coach. QB at Mich and big time student of the game. Had alot of success in a fairly long NFL career. Did great things at SDSU in a short amount of time. Had a a successful first year at Stanford, including one of the biggest upsets of all time. He's been around football along time, he understands more than the X's and O's. He's more than ready imo. If it wasn't for those comments I would think he would be the perfect Michigan coach.

[Riverman]

A bit off-topic:

I keep reading about how Lloyd kept recruiting up, but I'm not convinced.

For the last few years we seem to get a 5-star QB (that doesn't develop) and then a bunch of 3-4 star players everywhere else. That's pretty good for most programs, but not Michigan.

I dunno, I just think a program of Michigan's caliber should not be excited about Sam McGuffie.

[JackWhite]

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A bit off-topic:

I keep reading about how Lloyd kept recruiting up, but I'm not convinced.

For the last few years we seem to get a 5-star QB (that doesn't develop) and then a bunch of 3-4 star players everywhere else. That's pretty good for most programs, but not Michigan.

I dunno, I just think a program of Michigan's caliber should not be excited about Sam McGuffie.


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Other than Mallett, QB recruiting was a struggle the last past few years, but that is somewhat to be expected with Henne starting as a true freshman. A big problem was finishing 2nd on so many top defensive back recruits. From King, Harris, Eugene, and a few others, we paid for those 2nd places finishes.

[heater]

Scout has McGuffie as the #5 back in the country. Rivals has him as the ninth best all-purpose back. The kid is a strong, fast, physical freak and he has huge stats. He had offers from the likes of Florida, USC, etc. I don't understand why anyone would not be excited about him.

[JackWhite]

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Scout has McGuffie as the #5 back in the country. Rivals has him as the ninth best all-purpose back. The kid is a strong, fast, physical freak and he has huge stats. He had offers from the likes of Florida, USC, etc. I don't understand why anyone would not be excited about him.


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But..he's white.

[damaniac]

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I hear you about Harbaugh being inexpierienced in big time CFB, but I think most will agree that he was bred to be a coach. He grew up as a kid hanging out at college football practice all day with his dad who was a long time head coach. QB at Mich and big time student of the game. Had alot of success in a fairly long NFL career. Did great things at SDSU in a short amount of time. Had a a successful first year at Stanford, including one of the biggest upsets of all time. He's been around football along time, he understands more than the X's and O's. He's more than ready imo. If it wasn't for those comments I would think he would be the perfect Michigan coach.

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I disagree. First, he was a SDU, not SDSU. SDU is a non-scholarship DII school, SDSU is a DIA school. Big, big difference. His first year at Stanford is hardly successful. Given the circumstances it's hardly a failure either, but geez, they're 3-7. Okay, they pulled off a great upset. If you're deciding a guy with less than 1 year of DIA experience is good because of 1 game, you could be AD at Notre Dame, but you're not good enough for Michigan (or any other school that expects to win and is run by competent people).

As for the rest okay, hung out with the program, dad was a coach, that's all well and good. But think about it: you're Michigan. You don't have to take a risk on a guy with a very limited track record. Big level BCS schools have to take chances on guys with a couple good years at minor programs and hope they get the real deal instead of a decent coach who got lucky. We can afford to look at guys who have been successful over a longer sample, at multiple programs, which provides more certainty that a coach is good. There's no reason to take a risk on a guy who might be good when you can take guys who almost certainly are good.

[NozeCandy]

We should go get JoePa imo.