top two in huge pre-flop capped pot

[Douglas Leslie]

Pre-flop is OK. QJs plays well multi-way, so I would be happy to limp along in middle position.
On the flop you know that you are behind to MP3 for sure and probably BB as well. He led out into a capped pot, so I think it is fair to assume that he can handle QJ. It is quite conceivable that none of your outs are good here. I think you can fold when it comes back to you after BB's three bet, even getting fifteen to one particularly since there is every chance that it is going to be capped behind you. It is close though, and calling is not unreasonable. On the turn you are getting at least ten to one and possibly more if MP3 just calls behind you. With the implied odds when you hit your full house I think you have to close your eyes and call.

[Mitke]

Preflop is ok IMO. Is UTG+1 an idiot too? If not, you might not have much equity vs him. Raising could help to isolate the idiot UTG on later streets if others don't join the fun. If the players acting after you are loose enough to cold-call then raising becomes better.

What would be your motives for raising preflop here?


Flop... if you think there's a good chance BB or MP3 holds AK your Q outs are all dead and J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] need to be discounted anyhow.

Turn.. so you've got two players left to act behind you, both have shown strength on previous streets, the flush and straight just completed -> in all likelihood you aren't seeing the river for 2BB. Implied odds are very good though so...

I did consider a 3-bet (for a second) to:

a) maybe lose the tight weak MP3 with an overpair and 12 outs vs. us (GS+trips+better twopair), or even a straight as our 3-bet would look very strong here, like a flush here. This could lose BB as well if he's pumping AA or KK.

b) to isolate us vs. the idiot UTG

c) maybe get a free showdown


This is all probably wishful thinking in a pot this big so calling the turn hoping it doesn't get capped and J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] falling on the river for implied odds is ok IMO.