need stars 25/50NL datamine

[tubk]

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can we get a screen shot of the biggest winners and biggest losers?

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QFT


+ stop the open request for breaking T&C! PokeraddictModerator bans requests for legal rakeback requests. Are we going to tolerate this?

BTW. sharing database is against all T&C and many (counting me) consider it as cheating (because of the hole cards you get).

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ive just seen you post in two threads and both were about T and [censored] C. you should seriously just stfu

[freecard4all]

because both were about sharing databases (with hole cards). So STFU yourself or try better reading.


@OP: if could someone post aggregated stats or screen-shots with win-rates I'm also interested. (what's what my post was mainly about)

[SamIAm]

It's always been the policy of 2p2 that T&C for the poker sites does not define T&C for 2p2. For instance, if some site decided that statistics tracking of your own game was against their T&C, that wouldn't make it immoral, just illegal.

[_dave_]

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It's always been the policy of 2p2 that T&C for the poker sites does not define T&C for 2p2. For instance, if some site decided that statistics tracking of your own game was against their T&C, that wouldn't make it immoral, just illegal.

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Wait, what?

I thought for instance we didn't discuss "how to make a bot" bcasue bots are breaching all sites T&C.

I always thought the guideline was to pretty much follow sites T&C... is this wrong?

Another example was a post a while ago (Internet Bonuses I think) "How can I make multiple accounts to scam PPA bonusses?", which IIRC was laoced after a few "gtfo scammer" responses.

I kinda see requests for how to datamine Stars in the same light... maybe I should reconsider my position?

Please clarify what you mean by this, Sam.

TY,

dave.

[SamIAm]

There are lots of things that intersect both our running definition of "immoral" and the sites' definition of "illegal". (And of course here I just mean against THEIR rules, not any actual laws.)

Using bots masquerading as players is one of those cases. I wouldn't be surprised if the policy in the Internet Bonus forum is that scamming internet bonuses is disallowed, too. I remember multiple-accounting in tournaments is on the list, too.

Sorry, I know it's a hard line to draw. Last time we discussed it, lending databases was deemed ok by the reds wrt 2p2. It's information freely available to the players, and doesn't constitute actual collusion.

[TheChad]

so...
about those screen shots....

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oh and mods: if I ask for anything against the rules, feel free to berate me as you feel nec but I usually get the hint the first time. I feel like lurking here for a bit.

[stigmata]

I'm kinda with dave, we really shouldn't condone breaking T&Cs of any site. It's pretty difficult to mantain any moral high ground over scammers/botters/cheats etc if you are breaking the rules. I really don't see how breaking one T&C is OK, but breaking another is wrong.

[freecard4all]

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I kinda see requests for how to datamine Stars in the same light... maybe I should reconsider my position?

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datamining Stars <<<<<<<<<<<<&l t;<<<<< sharing own databases

Because if you share your databases you collect hole cards What is something you won't see in data mined hands. And something that is banned by all poker rooms (with more than 5 players).



So if the mod's approach is like that you should really release that PokerStars Table Opener (which I (and many others) want only for playing purposes).



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I know it's a hard line to draw.

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line is this: ------------------------
line isn't this: ^-/^^^\_____/\/\^------/\/
you ban many things that is way more border-line than that. But it's yours responsibility.

[choccypie]

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Because if you share your databases you collect hole cards What is something you won't see in data mined hands.

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If a player gets to showdown in a datamined hand you can see what they had though...

[freecard4all]

Why is this an issue?
Consider this: you are playing at a six-person table and the other five players at that table are using a shared database program. After each hand, they are able to see what cards every other player (except you) had. Do you want to play at that table?

but as I said if mods want to allow just this breaking rules... so be it. But they should review other banned issues then.

edit// am I the only one who thinks like that when it comes to blind defense: "hmm I'm easy target but is he really going to challenge that maniac next to me with mediocre hand"? That explains what's that issue.