Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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bots didnt run on the poker girl z account that i know of. sillysal, who is grego, beatme and poker girl z, did run bots on other accounts pretty much 24/7 until may or so of this year when the bots mostly got banned.


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Gehrig, help me out here please. What are you saying, the pokergirl z account was clean, no bot, but she had other accounts that did run bots? So Fulltilt took out all of her accounts but we are just hearing about the one account that she is willing to acknowledge?

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Yeah and her clean account just happened to play exactly like the bot accounts and I am sure FT has proof of timing and other obvious tell tale signs of botting on her. Uh huh. If she has been botting and screwing everyone over she deserves to lose all money on all accounts on FT. How many T&Cs did she break here? When you are guilty you get what you deserve. DUCY?

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So if the clean account, pokergirlz, played just like a bot why wasn't it a bot? It didn't have the timing tells? She had AI on adjacent machine and let it coach her? Not busting balls here, just trying to understand.

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An attorney would be useless here. Full Tilt is not located in the US.

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An attorney would be useless here. Full Tilt is not located in the US.

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This is sad but QFT. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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An attorney would be useless here. Full Tilt is not located in the US.

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This is sad but QFT. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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wrong.

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An attorney who practices in the US is useless. An attorney who practices in whatever jursidiction this falls under isn't useless.

She isn't gonna win shiat in court. I am sorry but if she is a proven botter on multiple accounts and 1 account magically isn't a bot she is still getting what she deserved. What is sad this actually helps Mr. Gatorade's creditability and I hate that bastard as much as the next 2+2er.

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What is sad this actually helps Mr. Gatorade's creditability and I hate that bastard as much as the next 2+2er.

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Which part, his site never listed her as a bot, he's bot hunting and couldn't find her?

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An attorney would be useless here. Full Tilt is not located in the US.

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This is sad but QFT. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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wrong.

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How am I wrong?

Of the countless disputes between players and online poker sites, how many have ever resulted in attorneys recovering the seized money? The answer to that would be ZERO.

I don't know what jurisdiction Full Tilt exists in, but my guess is that it would be extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to successfully take them to court and win a judgment against them.

Remember, they are in control of all the evidence. Even if Sillysal successfully gets them dragged into some foreign courtroom, they just need to pull out some convincing, official-looking evidence of botting and she's done for. Most poker sites exist in very online gambling friendly environments. The hurdles one would have to jump in order to get a successful civil judgment against Full Tilt would be insurmountable -- especially when you're just a single individual accused of a form of cheating.

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An attorney would be useless here. Full Tilt is not located in the US.

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This is sad but QFT. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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wrong.

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How am I wrong?

Of the countless disputes between players and online poker sites, how many have ever resulted in attorneys recovering the seized money? The answer to that would be ZERO.

I don't know what jurisdiction Full Tilt exists in, but my guess is that it would be extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to successfully take them to court and win a judgment against them.

Remember, they are in control of all the evidence. Even if Sillysal successfully gets them dragged into some foreign courtroom, they just need to pull out some convincing, official-looking evidence of botting and she's done for. Most poker sites exist in very online gambling friendly environments. The hurdles one would have to jump in order to get a successful civil judgment against Full Tilt would be insurmountable -- especially when you're just a single individual accused of a form of cheating.

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They are not fully in control of the evidence ... evidence is one thing proof is another. But the casinos have everything in control - their license agreement, that you signed, and which is such that every player breaks it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Many casinos in fact state in their license agreement that they can close your account even without a reason.

On the other hand, it could have some effect, as if you sue the casino and win this can really damage the casino business (which they won't risk for some 47k) ...

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An attorney would be useless here. Full Tilt is not located in the US.

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This is sad but QFT. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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wrong.

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How am I wrong?

Of the countless disputes between players and online poker sites, how many have ever resulted in attorneys recovering the seized money? The answer to that would be ZERO.

I don't know what jurisdiction Full Tilt exists in, but my guess is that it would be extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to successfully take them to court and win a judgment against them.

Remember, they are in control of all the evidence. Even if Sillysal successfully gets them dragged into some foreign courtroom, they just need to pull out some convincing, official-looking evidence of botting and she's done for. Most poker sites exist in very online gambling friendly environments. The hurdles one would have to jump in order to get a successful civil judgment against Full Tilt would be insurmountable -- especially when you're just a single individual accused of a form of cheating.

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The simple answer is to sue in an american jurisdiction in which poker is legal. Full Tilt defends, or gets defaulted. If they get defaulted (a choice they may make) you seize assets they have in America. They have assets in America, certainly 47 K.

The real problem here is the probable guilt of the accused. If someone demonstrates to me that different humans could have those pretty much identical across the board stats, I am open to being convinced. Its not like we are just talking about VPIP and preflop raise %s.

I don't think its proof positive, but I'd bet that those type of identical stats are going to show that identical hands were played identically, both pre and post flop.

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An attorney would be useless here. Full Tilt is not located in the US.

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This is sad but QFT. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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wrong.

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How am I wrong?

Of the countless disputes between players and online poker sites, how many have ever resulted in attorneys recovering the seized money? The answer to that would be ZERO.

I don't know what jurisdiction Full Tilt exists in, but my guess is that it would be extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to successfully take them to court and win a judgment against them.

Remember, they are in control of all the evidence. Even if Sillysal successfully gets them dragged into some foreign courtroom, they just need to pull out some convincing, official-looking evidence of botting and she's done for. Most poker sites exist in very online gambling friendly environments. The hurdles one would have to jump in order to get a successful civil judgment against Full Tilt would be insurmountable -- especially when you're just a single individual accused of a form of cheating.

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Damn all my years of law school and practicing wasted.

Or maybe you are just making all of that up based on no knowledge or experience....

1. Do you know everyone who has sued a poker site? Otherwise, what is your ZERO figure based on?
2. Are you a lawyer or do you just play one on TV? Have you ever heard of long arm jurisdiction? A default judgment? that most countries enforce foreign judgments?

For most people it is not worth paying an attorney to do all of the work, but that doesn't mean it could not be done. There are channels whereby you could sue and collect from most corporations in the world.

The main obstacle is whether a court would consider online gambling legal in your jurisdiction.