Strange NL betting rule

[Bashar_assad]

Hi

I´m not aware of this ruling.

If BB bets 15, you call 15 and player X raises all-in for less than 30 and furthermore there are no more active players, than the BB and you can not re-raise because player X did not complete the bet to 30 and thus his raise is not live.

But ---- you had not yet called the 15 , right ?
Then yes, in every single NL game ( that I know of) you should be able to re-raise as much as you want.

Bashar

EDIT -- I think this thread belongs in the B&M forum.

[Strat6]

Exactly. I had not yet called the bet.

EDIT -- this does belong in the B&M forum. My mistake.

[D0p3Ad1c7]

If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[TheChad]

yes, the dealer was wrong here.

[Rottersod]

The dealer is an idiot and he should be reprimanded. If the Floor and management had any guts he would have been. The rule he was enforcing doesn't take effect until everyone has made some kind of action first - in your case you hadn't.

[IHeartEmoKids]

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If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Except he picked up the FD on the turn. The flop was rainbow.

[bec1972]

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If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Can you come play in my home game? He didn't have a flush draw to call on the flop, he got it on the turn due to OPs inability to drive him out of the pot. Flush draw would not have called on the flop if OP could have bet $100.

My experience, and how we handle this in my home game, is if the raise is for more than half of the original bet, there can be reraises. So if original bet was $30, if shortstack goes all in for $15 or more on top of calling the $30 original bet than others can reraise NL, if shortstack can only reraise $14.99 or less ($0.99 is just for exactness)than there can be no reraises. It is a fair rule, you just need to know it. The beauty is when you are aware of all the stacks at the table and are able to use this rule against others trapping 3 - 4 cally wally's in the middle drawing very thin by betting an amount that if the shortstack wants to push, his raise is just a bit more than half of the original bet. It doesn't happen very often, but it is SUPER FUN when it does.

Sorry OP that it rolled out like that on you, but rules are rules, you just got to know them, which isn't easy if you play in multiple places.

[Rottersod]

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If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Can you come play in my home game? He didn't have a flush draw to call on the flop, he got it on the turn due to OPs inability to drive him out of the pot. Flush draw would not have called on the flop if OP could have bet $100.

My experience, and how we handle this in my home game, is if the raise is for more than half of the original bet, there can be reraises. So if original bet was $30, if shortstack goes all in for $15 or more on top of calling the $30 original bet than others can reraise NL, if shortstack can only reraise $14.99 or less ($0.99 is just for exactness)than there can be no reraises. It is a fair rule, you just need to know it. The beauty is when you are aware of all the stacks at the table and are able to use this rule against others trapping 3 - 4 cally wally's in the middle drawing very thin by betting an amount that if the shortstack wants to push, his raise is just a bit more than half of the original bet. It doesn't happen very often, but it is SUPER FUN when it does.

Sorry OP that it rolled out like that on you, but rules are rules, you just got to know them, which isn't easy if you play in multiple places.

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Let me see if I understand your "rules." Before any action post flop player A bets $30. Player B only has $14.99 so he calls. Are you saying that players C, D, E, can only call player A's $30? Cuz if you are you have some retarded rules. If you aren't then please clarify?

[Lottery Larry]

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If you aren't then please clarify?

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Agreed- if bec1972 is saying that a short stack can effectively block raising, that's a very unusual rule (though maybe not as unusual as we thought).

Half-bet raise? Cool. Short stack blocking everyone ELSE from raising? Not cool.... even though they are giving themselves (the SS) a big disadvantage by doing so.

In a bit of a seque, I'm been somewhat of an advocate of the "1/2 raise = reopen the betting" concept.... but thinking more of bec1972's example, I'm not sure if I like the "raise so you can reraise yourself" idea. I'll have to think through that one some more.

[psandman]

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Agreed- if bec1972 is saying that a short stack can effectively block raising, that's a very unusual rule (though maybe not as unusual as we thought).

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My experience is that while many home game people may be playing with this rule, it is generally because they misunderstand the rule not because they consciously want to use a non-standard rule. they will swear up and down that all the casinos do it this way.

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In a bit of a seque, I'm been somewhat of an advocate of the "1/2 raise = reopen the betting" concept.... but thinking more of bec1972's example, I'm not sure if I like the "raise so you can reraise yourself" idea. I'll have to think through that one some more.

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Understanding the effect of other people's actions when sizing your bet makes lots of sense (this is true with 1/2 bet or full bet rules). Even with a full bet if you see a short stack who you think will push in response to your bet, and you want to be able to come back over when they do, you make sure that you bet the correct amount. If the short stack has $40, you bet $20 hoping the SS pushes and a few other players call so that you can come back over.