It's been a pleasure working with you all *DELETED*

[Mason Malmuth]

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Will you respond to the question of whether this will apply to Greg Raymer?

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Greg is posting very little right at the moment. But when he has posted on this forum during the past few months, he has made it clear that he was a PPA board member.

Best wishes,
Mason

[tangled]

I agree with 2+2's position on the PPA's lack of transparency. Opacity breeds and feeds corruption and in the long run that is harmful to our cause even if there is significant short term gain.

However, on this point you are just plain wrong. This forum helps our cause because it is informal. This forum shares one of the powers of an university in that free ideas can be offered and explored without fear of long term consequence. Anybody can say pretty much whatever they want here, allowing golden ideas to be planted and the careful reader to sift them from the sand.

When you require some of your posters to don their cloak of position, then this forum's informality and its power are diminished.

If your concern is with the consistency of a forum rule, then maybe the rule itself is flawed and should be amended. If your concern is with some people getting the wrong idea, then sticky a disclaimer.

Indeed, by singling out the PPA here,
your problems with the PPA smacks of something personal.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Will you respond to the question of whether this will apply to Greg Raymer?

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Greg is posting very little right at the moment. But when he has posted on this forum during the past few months, he has made it clear that he was a PPA board member.

Best wishes,
Mason

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From speaking to Greg this week, doesn't he have positions and major interests in more than the PPA?

A number of us may serve on boards or serve as directors, agents, or representitives of any number of organizations. Which is really none of your business, unless we choose to make those affiliations known.

I feel I understand some of the issues here, beyond what has been posted or unposted to date.

But wasn't TE to some degree nominated to the Board in part because of his efforts that grew up here, but also becuase he was a valued member of this community.

You may not see it and TE hasn't said it, but to some degree TE while not an offical 2+2 LLC PPA member but about as close as you are going to get near term.

I really don't understand this move that in effect pushes him further from you rather than closer. Yes TE comes off many times as a PPA apologist, and his vaciliation between his "authority" as a PPA board member and his private individual musings is an issue, but even TE has stated he feels he represents 2+2 to the board not the PPA to 2+2.

Given that now the job of representing the PPA to this forum is now held by Bryan there really is little need for TE to defend the PPA as he has in the past. But as a State Rep he does have the same responsibilities as does Skall or anyone else who takes one of those positions to represent that State and be held accountible for the success or failure of those actions.

Work it out gentleman!


D$D

[1p0kerboy]

LOL @ 2+2 deciding it's their job to police the PPA.

I really think 2+2 is making a big mistake in regards to The Engineer, regardless of their stance on the PPA. TE was a member here long before he was on the board of the PPA. But not only that, he and their new president seem to slowly be making changes that are likely leading the organization in the direction of receiving the 2+2 endorsement. Furthermore, he doesn't even post here as a representative of the PPA at all. He simply posts here as himself, but I guess he can't even do that anymore.

Shame on 2+2.

'boy
PPA non-contributing member
professional poker player
Carpal Tunnel Member of 2+2
Supernova Elite on PokerStars

Hope I didn't forget a title.

[TheEngineer]

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LOL @ 2+2 deciding it's their job to police the PPA.

I really think 2+2 is making a big mistake in regards to The Engineer, regardless of their stance on the PPA. TE was a member here long before he was on the board of the PPA. But not only that, he and their new president seem to slowly be making changes that are likely leading the organization in the direction of receiving the 2+2 endorsement. Furthermore, he doesn't even post here as a representative of the PPA at all. He simply posts here as himself, but I guess he can't even do that anymore.

Shame on 2+2.

'boy
PPA non-contributing member
professional poker player
Carpal Tunnel Member of 2+2
Supernova Elite on PokerStars

Hope I didn't forget a title.

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Thanks to you and everyone here who spoke in my favor. I'm proud of what we were all able to do, and I'm sure we'll all continue to fight for our rights. I'll be around on occasion, and I'll continue to post on the PPA forum.

Take care everyone.

[Uglyowl]

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I'll be around on occasion

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Nice work Mason. We had someone who went above and beyond on his own time and effort and rallied alot of us to take action that no one else was able or willing to do.

As a result of his efforts he was asked to join the Board of the PPA (and I assume move the board to a better make-up )

I think you got the whole chicken and egg situation messed up and I finally got the feeling that "one of us" was finally inside the PPA and we had more say and knew what was going on.

Mason, I think you may have just broken down a man who was dedicated to helping our cause and who was just a online poker player. I am ashamed!

[Steve565]

<< We had someone who went above and beyond on his own time and effort and rallied alot of us to take action that no one else was able or willing to do. >>

I agree. Just we need, knocking out the guy who has worked unbelievably hard for the players.

This censorship and attitude here is disgusting.

It's a freakin chatroom. People should be allowed to act freely.

Engineer - this is the internet. We're fighting for freedom as players - we should have freedom as posters as well.

Let's find another forum where we can exchange ideas. I personally will follow you anywhere.

Let's see if my post gets deleted.

[NewGuy]

Mason,

I have always been grateful for 2+2, and I have never before posted on topics related to how these forums are run. I also recognize that obviously you have every right to hold your neutral-to-negative opinion about the PPA. As you noted, your (apparent) tact and restraint in expressing these negative opinions here is certainly in the poker community's best interest. Like you, while I agree with their cause and hope they succeed, I have not always been satisfied with their transparency or progress relative to monies spent.

However, you apparently don't properly appreciate the INDIVIDUALS who voluntarily contribute on this board working to fight for the same cause. This stubborn decision may be sufficiently nitty and controlling to drive away people volunteering their time and energy, both inside and outside the PPA. Feel free to remember that we don't all make money from 2+2, and that some of the very posters you are either handcuffing or alienating with your decisions were primarily here to give back and help this community.

BTW, the rationalizations and foreshadowings you provided about the PPA still do not address why you don't trust 2+2ers enough to be able to read a title. While most here were willing to concede that having some form of ID to link posters to the PPA was reasonable, you're close to alone in thinking that a title was insufficient.

Keep up the good work exercising hyper-control over things that don't matter to at the expense of issues that do.

[RGL]

This is deplorable. It's a great example of why our foes are so much more effective than ourselves. We cooperate like we are playing poker with each other, and with the same degree of aggressiveness and pursuit of dominance over each other. The Engineer, IMHO, is one of the real heroes of this fight. And, I might add, has been much more effective than the owners of this forum in advancing our cause and leading us to work together. Are we suicidal, or are we just so psychotic that we'll always remove an effective player from the table when given the chance?

[va1halla]

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I'll be around on occasion

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Nice work Mason. We had someone who went above and beyond on his own time and effort and rallied alot of us to take action that no one else was able or willing to do.

As a result of his efforts he was asked to join the Board of the PPA (and I assume move the board to a better make-up )

I think you got the whole chicken and egg situation messed up and I finally got the feeling that "one of us" was finally inside the PPA and we had more say and knew what was going on.

Mason, I think you may have just broken down a man who was dedicated to helping our cause and who was just a online poker player. I am ashamed!

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