Absolutely heated about JC Tran situation at Foxwoods

[jackhigh]

1. Inconclusive that player was mucking hand.
2. Cards did not hit muck
3. All Ins require both cards to be exposed to prevent collusion

Conclusion:
1. Right decision bad outcome
2. Seen worse bad beats! (always put on me of course)
3. Tournaments are luckfests

[Nairb]

In the video does it matter that the guy that mucked his cards appeared to be paying off JC. It looked like he had slipped the chips over to JC and surrendering the hand.

Seems based on the rules like a good ruling but it appeared to me that there was no mistaking his intention to fold there.

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In the video does it matter that the guy that mucked his cards appeared to be paying off JC. It looked like he had slipped the chips over to JC and surrendering the hand.

Seems based on the rules like a good ruling but it appeared to me that there was no mistaking his intention to fold there.

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Exactly, he drops a few chips from his stack in front of Tran's. Who does this? I don't know, complete fishcake obviously. Besides the point however....

NOBODY throws their hand away like he did, if they are attempting to stay involved in the hand. Let me ask you this.... If spewdonk shoved, as he did in this situation, but instead showed AK, and Tran had called with JJ on the 995 flop, do you HONESTLY think he would have thrown his hand away like that? No. He's a donk, if you don't want to let your hand read, rebuy.

[CnC]

He got caught in a bluff and lost focus ... the ruling was right tho ... he was ALL IN at the flop. This is a good rule ... it protects possible collusion on the table.

[optionsguy]

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He got caught in a bluff and lost focus ... the ruling was right tho ... he was ALL IN at the flop. This is a good rule ... it protects possible collusion on the table.

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This is kinda my point. If you didn't know either of the players could you not assume this is collusion? Maybe they could make the rule like once he throws his cards in they are shown and then mucked before the turn and river are put out.

[johnnyrocket]

yea thats awful, this makes me sick they rule that the winning hand

[1tripz1]

not even that interesting tbh

[CSuave]

The intent of the caller was to muck his hand.... it was not to flip them up... He threw them towards the dealer not trying to flip them up on the table. One of the cards actually exited what is consider the playing area of felt and went into the chip rack which is considered in many places to be off the table.
You are correct that both hands are to be shown during an all in where no more action can take place but if a player wishes to kill his hand that can be done so and then expose the hand. The callers intent was to fold. The dealer prevented it by turning the hand up. At no time is a dealer or other player to touch a live hand and turn it up, that is the responsibility of the player of the hand. The dealer could have instructed the player to turn over the hand but the dealer should not have turned it over without killing the hand first.

[JDesab]

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You are correct that both hands are to be shown during an all in where no more action can take place but if a player wishes to kill his hand that can be done so and then expose the hand. The callers intent was to fold. The dealer prevented it by turning the hand up. At no time is a dealer or other player to touch a live hand and turn it up, that is the responsibility of the player of the hand. The dealer could have instructed the player to turn over the hand but the dealer should not have turned it over without killing the hand first.

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perhaps you should review the cardplayer.tv video. the tournament director said that the dealer did nothing wrong.

the player CAN NOT fold his hand in that all in situation. the hand will be played out. are you new to tournament rules?

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2. Seen worse bad beats! (always put on me of course)


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Has nothing to do with it. This guy pushed his cards FACE DOWN towards the dealer after seeing JC Tran's hand. One of the cards flipped after hitting a pile of chips inadvertently. If people do not have the self control to let their cards read, and shove their cards towards the muck out of pure tiltspew, they should lose their privilege to win the pot.