*** OFFICIAL 11/11/07 NFL EARLY GAME THREAD ***

[aufan91]

WAS -3
GB/MIN O40.5

[Rustjive]

I've been kinda tiptoeing around the Bills/Dolphins discussion, but I'd just like to note - if you are giving games to Miami which they've lost because of luck or what not, you might as well give games to an easily 6-2 Buffalo team. The Bills are a onside kick recovery and a crazy Elam kick away from that.

The bye week is worrisome, but in terms of DVOA or any ratings, keep in mind that that number is at least a bit inflated by the 2nd half against the Patriots. This is a Dolphins team that lost with a healthy Trent Green, Ronnie Brown, Chris Chambers in New York - Buffalo beat New York in New York by 10.

As for the defense, what makes you think that being rested has to do with anything? Those Dolphins are ranked 31st in the league according to DVOA - looking at scoring averages would've told me that at first glance. 31 points to the woeful Jets, 35 to the woeful Raiders - color me unconvinced.

[kyro]

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I've been kinda tiptoeing around the Bills/Dolphins discussion, but I'd just like to note - if you are giving games to Miami which they've lost because of luck or what not, you might as well give games to an easily 6-2 Buffalo team. The Bills are a onside kick recovery and a crazy Elam kick away from that.

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I realize that. My only point is Miami is not the worst team in the league, and saying they are 6 points worse than the Bills because they are 0-8 is just wrong.

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The bye week is worrisome, but in terms of DVOA or any ratings, keep in mind that that number is at least a bit inflated by the 2nd half against the Patriots.

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It's not that inflated. It's 1/16 of the season. It's also "deflated" by the Pats going up 42-7 in the first half. That's not exactly what we could expect playing a billion halves of football.

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This is a Dolphins team that lost with a healthy Trent Green, Ronnie Brown, Chris Chambers in New York - Buffalo beat New York in New York by 10.

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And Buffalo beat New York in Buffalo by 3. I can play this game too.

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As for the defense, what makes you think that being rested has to do with anything? Those Dolphins are ranked 31st in the league according to DVOA - looking at scoring averages would've told me that at first glance. 31 points to the woeful Jets, 35 to the woeful Raiders - color me unconvinced.

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The Jets may be woeful, but their defense is their main concern. They're below average in offense, but not grossly so. The Dolphins defense is atrocious, for sure, but it's also better than the Jets defense which the Bills put up a total of 30 points on over 2 games. I guess my point about them being rested is pretty silly, but really, I don't see the Dolphins team going 0fer. Losing 4 games by a FG is just unlucky. I just feel that having an experienced defense, which admittedly is not what it once was, will get up for the game against Buffalo.

[MacGuyV]

Line looks about right to me. I watch the Bills every week & they're tough to get a read on. They lose when they score on defense & special teams and last week they win by double digits on the rare occasion they lose the special teams battle. It's impossible to believe the defense is good looking at the roster, but they've played well 5 games in a row. The OL is pretty good in pass protection but the run blocking sucks - Lynch has to do everything on his own. Take away Evans and their offense is putrid - I don't know if the Dolphins can do that, but I just wouldn't lay points on the road w/ this team.