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[XXXNoahXXX]

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me failing to pay someone's salary is not being cheap. i tip well all the time so i'm not speaking from personal experience, i'm just saying it does not make you cheap. maybe it makes you a douche like that guy said. i can see that.

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in the situation you describe, are you not tipping because

1- Some moralistic stance

2- Save a few bucks


Most probably think 2 and say 1.

[MC Chris]

that is where i disagree. it's perfectly plausible that a person doesn't tip because of 1, but then goes out and spends money lavishly on other things.

[XXXNoahXXX]

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that is where i disagree. it's perfectly plausible that a person doesn't tip because of 1, but then goes out and spends money lavishly on other things.

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ok then i guess that would in fact make him a douche and not a cheapskate if he uses principles of capitalism to justify not tipping.

[Vyse]

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in the situation you describe, are you not tipping because

1- Some moralistic stance

2- Save a few bucks


Most probably think 2 and say 1.

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My moral stance is thus: I spend on what I feel is worth it. If I don't feel it's worth it to tip, I don't. There are no ifs, there are no buts, and I don't care if I'm called a cheapskate or look like a douche or whatever. If the service was worth it and I still didn't tip, then you would be correct.

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Sorry, dude, but the tone of your posts in this thread is definitely self-congratulatory

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Most of which is derived simply because up to those points in my posts I was about the only person who posted an extended reasoning / diatribe on not tipping. Seriously, whenever there's a mass consensus on something and someone differs and explains why they differ in anything that can be construed as a rant, they are suddenly "self-congratulatory."

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not to mention the fact that you have Mr. Pink as your avatar--"Not on my watch," etc.

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You're much too quick to make assumptions. And why do I have Mr. Pink as my avatar? Wait, do you really think I made the custom changes and themed my stuff all on my own, just because of a thread on tipping? If you suspected that, you have some logical issues to fix.

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And sorry, but not usually tipping is the definition of "miserly."

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I would likely ignore this if you said that the single action of not tipping can be the definition of miserly, but it would be a laughable proposition to try to convince anyone that one single action would define a person. And it's pretty evident that the connotation of miserly implies a previous motive or premeditated belief; "miserly" people don't just impulsively decide not to leave tips on random. I have my reasons why I don't, but if my reasons make me "miserly," you should try to point out how my reasons coincide with miserly rather than tossing out "miserly" buzzwords.

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If you're okay with being the antisocial creep who doesn't tip

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Ah, so I have no choice -- I have to become a minion and go along with what everyone else does, right? If that's your logic for why you tip, that's all fine and dandy, but it's not something I choose to subscribe to.

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more power to you and I'm sure you're saving a lot of $$, but you can't really have it both ways--you're a cheapskate.

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Again, a person can be mean in regards to a situation but not be a mean person. A father can be mean in his punishment towards his son, but that doesn't necessarily dictate him as a mean person. If you want to call me not tipping being a cheapskate, that's fine and I particularly couldn't care less -- I guess it's accurate, and I'm fine with it. But to imply not tipping makes you less of a person -- seriously, miserly? Stop the hyperbole. -- and forms the basis of my character is simply fallacious.

[oddjob]

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Ah, so I have no choice -- I have to become a minion and go along with what everyone else does, right? If that's your logic for why you tip, that's all fine and dandy, but it's not something I choose to subscribe to.

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it's probably statements like this that makes him think you're a self- congratulatory douche.

[Vyse]

Your point is invalid, oddjob, because you should expect people to fight vitriol with vitriol.

[stabn]

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Your point is invalid, oddjob, because you should expect people to fight vitriol with vitriol.

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Why did it take me this long to add you to my ignore list?