High Stakes Poker thread (11/5 - 500k buyin - Spoilers expected)

[JokersAttack]

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This is my list of EVs:

EV+:
Patrick
Daniel N.
Antonio E.
Doyle

EV-:
Jamie Gold
Sammy
Guy L.

Borderline:
David B.
Barry G.

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lol @ Barry G being borderline EV.

moran.

and also lol @ people berating Doyle's fold. When Gabe was sitting there going on about how Doyle was going to stack Jamie, I was sitting there seriously believing Doyle could muck his hand. Why? Because Doyle can read Jamie like a book, and detected high strength tells. Doyle probably believed that it simply wasn't worth risking his stack (who knows how many 500k bullets he had available?) in a borderline situation. Yes, in hindsight, it was an incorrect fold, but Doyle's ability to pick his spots and stay away from marginal situations (like the AK hand against Barry) testify to his past success.

[Berky]

Antonio calling out cards is so sick scary.
Patrik is a nit obv (jokes), I hope he stacks gold next ep.
<3 Degenyamine

[private joker]

Great show, horrible thread. What else is new.

1) Ditto on Antonio's great reads, and I actually don't think he played the AA hand that badly. Super deep stacks, and knows (as well as anyone who's seen Barry on TV) that Greenstein is capable of 3-betting with a big draw (Ks8x). And since he was in the blinds his hand is hard to read. Antonio doesn't want to play a huge pot, especially if he's beat, and with Barry betting out into the field he's capable of holding a flush as well.

When Barry fires the third barrel on the river, Antonio is right to consider that he's beaten (Barry looked like he wanted a call and liked his hand), but of course he has to call there.

2) Doyle played his flush hand fine. All you guys who can see Jamie's cards are gleefully talking about how easy it is to shove like 400BBs into the pot there. Kaplan called it perfectly -- the way Doyle reads the situation (albeit incorrectly), Jamie is either bluffing or he has a monster (unfortunately, Jamie is too bad at poker to realize the 9-high flush is not a monster vs. Doyle). Doyle correctly read that Jamie loved his hand, so he figured he'd let go of the small amount he'd invested into the pot because it's a RIO situation -- if he's beat, he's drawing dead.

The stack sizes made it an awkward hand to be in at the time. With a smaller stack he can shove, and with a larger stack he can call and face a river decision. With 500k and Jamie's raise to 125, Doyle is finding it hard to commit himself with that hand. Folding is a minor mistake if he's ahead of Jamie's bluff (Jamie wouldn't follow through on the river), and if Jamie's ahead, calling is a gigantic mistake.

Great play Doyle, and all these internet fish behind their dorm room 50-Cent posters and suburban Michigan minivans in mom's driveway can relax on the computer chair and pretend they're better at poker than you, but you've been owning the likes of them for decades. Keep on keepin' on.

[shaniac]

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Great play Doyle, and all these internet fish behind their dorm room 50-Cent posters and suburban Michigan minivans in mom's driveway can relax on the computer chair and pretend they're better at poker than you, but you've been owning the likes of them for decades. Keep on keepin' on.

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jeez, bud, we're just discussing a poker hand, it's not an epic battle of the ages. Pretty interesting hand, too...the people arguing Doyle's side make some good points.

[private joker]

Shane -- of course you're right, but I felt like I just had to exaggerate to make a point... mostly my annoyance was driven by the posters who were just making one-line ZOMG DOYLE FOLDED A FLUSH WHAT A FISH. I admit there are smart arguments to be made against Doyle's side (not sure why you said "the people arguing Doyle's side make some good points," since I am one of them), but the attitude of the naive and hubristic newbies on here slamming Doyle without thinking through the situation is fairly bothersome.

[Mr_Mxyztplk]

I'd bet my left nut that Esfandiari is totaly staked in this game.

[kypreanus]

$5 to first working youtube link

[Garland]

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I'd bet my left nut that Esfandiari is totaly staked in this game.

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I want to stake him...badly. "A9", "I think Doyle folded a flush", "A8, 84, Barry?" Sick, sick hand reading skills.

Garland

[yellowjack]

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Great show, horrible thread. What else is new.

1) Ditto on Antonio's great reads, and I actually don't think he played the AA hand that badly. Super deep stacks, and knows (as well as anyone who's seen Barry on TV) that Greenstein is capable of 3-betting with a big draw (Ks8x). And since he was in the blinds his hand is hard to read. Antonio doesn't want to play a huge pot, especially if he's beat, and with Barry betting out into the field he's capable of holding a flush as well.

When Barry fires the third barrel on the river, Antonio is right to consider that he's beaten (Barry looked like he wanted a call and liked his hand), but of course he has to call there.

2) Doyle played his flush hand fine. All you guys who can see Jamie's cards are gleefully talking about how easy it is to shove like 400BBs into the pot there. Kaplan called it perfectly -- the way Doyle reads the situation (albeit incorrectly), Jamie is either bluffing or he has a monster (unfortunately, Jamie is too bad at poker to realize the 9-high flush is not a monster vs. Doyle). Doyle correctly read that Jamie loved his hand, so he figured he'd let go of the small amount he'd invested into the pot because it's a RIO situation -- if he's beat, he's drawing dead.

The stack sizes made it an awkward hand to be in at the time. With a smaller stack he can shove, and with a larger stack he can call and face a river decision. With 500k and Jamie's raise to 125, Doyle is finding it hard to commit himself with that hand. Folding is a minor mistake if he's ahead of Jamie's bluff (Jamie wouldn't follow through on the river), and if Jamie's ahead, calling is a gigantic mistake.

Great play Doyle, and all these internet fish behind their dorm room 50-Cent posters and suburban Michigan minivans in mom's driveway can relax on the computer chair and pretend they're better at poker than you, but you've been owning the likes of them for decades. Keep on keepin' on.

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QFT



Doyle is acutely aware of how to adjust his play to (reverse) implied odds. This is evidenced by his flush and call/fold of AK.

Jamie is [censored] annoying with his declarations of wanting to be the best bluffer and analysis of Benyamine two-barrelling him being a "great play" because it happened to work.

I doubt Barry will read this thread, so if anyone sees Barry responding to a thread can you ask him how he would respond to a turn raise? If Barry knew Antonio was capable of semi-bluffing with a hand like KsQx, I wonder if Antonio could have made more money there. lol at Jamie claiming how Antonio made the least money possible, but it's a great sign of professionalism from the players to not correct the donk.

I wonder how much money or what strings Doyle and Barry pulled to have position on both Guy and Jamie at this table.

[Crazy Cypriot]

I can understand doyles fold of the flush, because quite frankly Jamie Gold was reaking strength. yes its easy to say when seeing his cards but i think he went too much out of his way in this hand and thats a strong reason on why doyle folded.

However, i never understood the way he played AK vs Jamie and Barry. I mean isnt it worth calling the re raise there even though OOP to Barry? Yes AK is not the nuts but its not total crap either