200NL Bodog Flopped Flush vs. Donk

[RapidEvolution]

I think the psb is fine on the flop. I'm a bit surprised that villain didn't shove over you, though. I'd almost expect it given that there's basically just a psb behind on turn. Why not bet/3bet flop? I think the last thing I'd wanna do is give a hand like AhK or AhQ a free card.

[Landlord79]

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I think the psb is fine on the flop. I'm a bit surprised that villain didn't shove over you, though. I'd almost expect it given that there's basically just a psb behind on turn. Why not bet/3bet flop? I think the last thing I'd wanna do is give a hand like AhK or AhQ a free card.

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Reread original text, UTG ck'd, not OP.

At 50/20, I'd hate to concede this pot since you'll be shown a bluff on lots of occasions. You've got ~$120 in effective stacks and there is ~$160 in the pot, tough spot. Just depends on how bad the villain is here, but I'd probably lay it down to a PSB from the donk. Blah!

OP, shoving is overkill and won't net you a + result unless the villain stacks off here w/ a FD much too often. PSB insures that he is -EV on the hand. Don't look at results, play the math.

[sobos]

There's no way I can call an allin river bet.
I am playing the math. A player that donkish is probably just about as likely to call a shove as he is to call a PSB. But, I'm looking for people to verify that based on their experiences.

[Landlord79]

I tried to help you, but you aren't listening.

Since you made a PSB, you can now get away from a potentially bad situation. PSB>Shove on the flop IMO

[sobos]

Landlord79...I appreciate your comments, but I'm not sure I follow them. If I shoved the flop, then I would never have to face the turn decision. If a player this donkish is willing to call a PSB, then he'll likely call a shove. So my question to the super experienced players out there boils down to whether he'll fold to the shove yet call a PSB often enough to make making a PSB better, even given the potential turn heart.

[Landlord79]

<<<<Isn't experienced enough.

<<<<Has been playing for 4 years and makes 10BB/100 Hands on the same site that you're playing on with a bankroll that he has no money invested in.

[sobos]

Landlord, I'm not saying you're not experienced...I'm just saying that you've missed my point. 10BB/100 without giving the level is rather meaningless...anyways, your BB/100 doesnt matter here...

[NL__Fool]

Deleted nm read it wrong

[Proofrock]

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Landlord79...I appreciate your comments, but I'm not sure I follow them. If I shoved the flop, then I would never have to face the turn decision. If a player this donkish is willing to call a PSB, then he'll likely call a shove. So my question to the super experienced players out there boils down to whether he'll fold to the shove yet call a PSB often enough to make making a PSB better, even given the potential turn heart.

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Shoving the flop so you don't have to make a hard decision isn't a good reason to shove. If you think he's enough of a donk to call a huge overbet shove on the flop with a worse hand, then go ahead and shove.

However, I think the pot-sized raise is much better against most players because you'll get calls from more worse hands (TP, TP+FD, FD, etc). This is much better than worrying about the 15% of the time the turn is another flush card. If you don't believe me, do the math yourself to verify.