My reservations regarding Ron Paul...

[DblBarrelJ]

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DblbarrelJ, imo this concerns the rights of the individual trumping the will of the majority. While I strongly believe state's should have much more leeway in deciding how to govern their state, I don't think they should have the right to legislate on matters of personal liberty.

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Almost every piece of state legislation involves personal liberty in some form or another.

Whats the difference in the State of Hawaii refusing people the liberty of possessing a firearm, or the state of Georgia refusing people the personal liberty of not wearing a helmet on a motorcycle, and a state deciding by a democratic process that they want to outlaw abortion?

Anytime government moves, it directly effects your personal liberty in some way.

Edited to add If you don't like the abortion laws in your state, you can move to one you do.

[JayTee]

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Edited to add If you don't like the abortion laws in your state, you drive to one that allows abortion. Hell, make a romantic weekend getaway out of it. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]



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[DblBarrelJ]

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Edited to add If you don't like the abortion laws in your state, you drive to one that allows abortion. Hell, make a romantic weekend getaway out of it. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]



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A VERY good point imo!

[zasterguava]

One of my concerns with Ron Paul is that people who work for him distributed racist propoganda appealing to the lowest common denominator to get votes. I feel Ron Paul does this in his speeches on issues such as tax, health care, government and so on. For example, when he described Bill Gates as a good example for why it is safe to hand over government power to private power I almost puked.

And generally on an sidenote I don't find his meek kind old man persona very convincing.

[Bedreviter]

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One of my concerns with Ron Paul is that people who work for him distributed racist propoganda appealing to the lowest common denominator to get votes.

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[skeptix]

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DblbarrelJ, imo this concerns the rights of the individual trumping the will of the majority. While I strongly believe state's should have much more leeway in deciding how to govern their state, I don't think they should have the right to legislate on matters of personal liberty.

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Almost every piece of state legislation involves personal liberty in some form or another.

Whats the difference in the State of Hawaii refusing people the liberty of possessing a firearm, or the state of Georgia refusing people the personal liberty of not wearing a helmet on a motorcycle, and a state deciding by a democratic process that they want to outlaw abortion?

Anytime government moves, it directly effects your personal liberty in some way.

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I don't see that it has to be this way. I don't see that state's rights should trump constitutional rights. But I admit it's a slippery issue, which is also easily argued on both sides of the coin.

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Edited to add If you don't like the abortion laws in your state, you can move to one you do.

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My concern with this is that abortion laws may not seem relevant to someone until the issue actually comes up. I don't see that people will want to pack up and move just on this one issue. Also, this would allow more freedom to those wealthy enough to take advantage of moving or traveling to another state. Many that request an abortion are impoverished and may find it quite difficult to excercise freedoms that others "enjoy".

[Money2Burn]

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Many that request an abortion are impoverished and may find it quite difficult to excercise freedoms that others "enjoy".

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I'm not too concerned with how "easily" people can exercise certain freedoms, but I agree that abortions are most important for poor people who can't afford to raise a child. When they are forced to have these kids it creates problems that everyone else has to deal with, paramount amoung them are increased crime rates.

[Money2Burn]

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DblbarrelJ, imo this concerns the rights of the individual trumping the will of the majority. While I strongly believe state's should have much more leeway in deciding how to govern their state, I don't think they should have the right to legislate on matters of personal liberty.

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Almost every piece of state legislation involves personal liberty in some form or another.

Whats the difference in the State of Hawaii refusing people the liberty of possessing a firearm, or the state of Georgia refusing people the personal liberty of not wearing a helmet on a motorcycle, and a state deciding by a democratic process that they want to outlaw abortion?

Anytime government moves, it directly effects your personal liberty in some way.

Edited to add If you don't like the abortion laws in your state, you can move to one you do.



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If abortion was illegal in your state, and you went to another state to have one, would that be considered illegal? Would it be like going to a different state to buy booze and cigarettes because their taxes are lower?

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If abortion was illegal in your state, and you went to another state to have one, would that be considered illegal?

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This was my question too. I would guess no since there wouldn't be a federal law against it, and "crossing state lines to commit a crime" wouldn't work since the act wasn't a crime in both states.