Playing the flopped underfull

[RoundTower]

preflop is fine, now raise and get it in.

[gordo16]

Yeah, HU I just pot this flop. Multi-way action, I generally play this hand pretty slow...

[Grandezza]

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Yeah, HU I just pot this flop. Multi-way action, I generally play this hand pretty slow...

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why wouldn't you just raise this flop even multi-way? seems like you can get enough of your stack in to deny them odds to draw. and I think you get it in enough vs Jxxx to make up for the times when you're drawing dead.

this is 3-way btw.

[gordo16]

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Yeah, HU I just pot this flop. Multi-way action, I generally play this hand pretty slow...

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why wouldn't you just raise this flop even multi-way? seems like you can get enough of your stack in to deny them odds to draw. and I think you get it in enough vs Jxxx to make up for the times when you're drawing dead.

this is 3-way btw.

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I just personally found that it was a -EV situation for me to continue potting underfulls in multi-way action. I feel more confident that I can outplay someone in a pot much less straightforward than this one, where you are getting called by any J and are only 70/30 to win, or being snapped off by J8 where you are essentially drawing dead.

[mixmastermattyk]

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Yeah, HU I just pot this flop. Multi-way action, I generally play this hand pretty slow...

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why wouldn't you just raise this flop even multi-way? seems like you can get enough of your stack in to deny them odds to draw. and I think you get it in enough vs Jxxx to make up for the times when you're drawing dead.

this is 3-way btw.

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I just personally found that it was a -EV situation for me to continue potting underfulls in multi-way action. I feel more confident that I can outplay someone in a pot much less straightforward than this one, where you are getting called by any J and are only 70/30 to win, or being snapped off by J8 where you are essentially drawing dead.

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Have you found that the times that J8 has you effectively drawing dead outweighs the other times they have AJxx or whatever and we're 70/30? Because I love to get my money in as a 70/30 all day considering the many more marginal situations that come about. Are J's folding that often that we don't ever get our money in that good?

[pete fabrizio]

this is a super-easy raise. first, the donk-bettor probably doesn't have jacks full, and second, the fact that you have a donk-better makes it even less likely that 3rd player has jacks full. third, in case they both have jacks, there's a good chance they have duplicate outs or someone with live outs folds fearing he's drawing dead. fourth, you have 2 good cards that he may need to fill up in your hand, so you could be in even better shape than usual.