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Also to make sure i'm understanding this correctly can someone confirm if this is right.

In the 1k tourney that Potripper won, this user #363 opened the table and had it open for the duration of the tourney. This is suspect because nobody else really opens a tourney from start to close and the creation of the account was extremely early on. There was also another mysterious guest observer at this table who shared the same IP address as user #363. The guest observers IP was traced back to AP based on where the registered email was and the user #363 IP is based in Costa Rica from a secret web host that we can't get more info on so we can't trace that back to AP.

If this is correct, is there a way to see if this user #363 was observing the tables of the other accounts involved in the cheating like Doubledrag? Or would that require another slipup on AP's part and the sending out of another one of those excel files for that actual session? If that's the case... can't some of these people who claim to have access to that special information be able to get it? Or maybe request HH's for all of doubledrag's play and hope another brain dead employee shoots AP in it's other foot.

Either way incredibly great research/detective work done by all those involved and anyone continuing to play on AP after all this has gone down has definitely got that "gamb0000l" in them that BBV thrives on.

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Also to make sure i'm understanding this correctly can someone confirm if this is right.

In the 1k tourney that Potripper won, this user #363 opened the table and had it open for the duration of the tourney. This is suspect because nobody else really opens a tourney from start to close and the creation of the account was extremely early on. There was also another mysterious guest observer at this table who shared the same IP address as user #363. The guest observers IP was traced back to AP based on where the registered email was and the user #363 IP is based in Costa Rica from a secret web host that we can't get more info on so we can't trace that back to AP.

If this is correct, is there a way to see if this user #363 was observing the tables of the other accounts involved in the cheating like Doubledrag? Or would that require another slipup on AP's part and the sending out of another one of those excel files for that actual session? If that's the case... can't some of these people who claim to have access to that special information be able to get it? Or maybe request HH's for all of doubledrag's play and hope another brain dead employee shoots AP in it's other foot.

Either way incredibly great research/detective work done by all those involved and anyone continuing to play on AP after all this has gone down has definitely got that "gamb0000l" in them that BBV thrives on.

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That bolded part is not right. The 2nd guy opened a different table. He had the same IP as 363. The mail server of his registered email address was traced back to AP, not his IP.

We would need another slip up to get more observer info.

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Okay, not to keep dropping new pieces of info or w/e, but this is interesting.

The user GRAYCAT, who was implicated in the same type of cheating during the same time period, also played this 1K event. However, he *blinded out* of it. He was seated at Table 14 and didn't play a single hand.

Credit to MrTimCaum for making me look into GRAYCAT.

I don't know what to make of this, if anything. Maybe the guy couldn't keep up and registered two accounts by mistake.

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Okay, not to keep dropping new pieces of info or w/e, but this is interesting.

The user GRAYCAT, who was implicated in the same type of cheating during the same time period, also played this 1K event. However, he *blinded out* of it. He was seated at Table 14 and didn't play a single hand.

Credit to MrTimCaum for making me look into GRAYCAT.

I don't know what to make of this, if anything. Maybe the guy couldn't keep up and registered two accounts by mistake.

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Is it possible with the spreadsheet to see if GRAYCAT opened or closed any tables through the tournament. If there was activity on his computer, yet blinding out for some reason we could assume this was signifigant.

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Okay, not to keep dropping new pieces of info or w/e, but this is interesting.

The user GRAYCAT, who was implicated in the same type of cheating during the same time period, also played this 1K event. However, he *blinded out* of it. He was seated at Table 14 and didn't play a single hand.

Credit to MrTimCaum for making me look into GRAYCAT.

I don't know what to make of this, if anything. Maybe the guy couldn't keep up and registered two accounts by mistake.

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Is it possible with the spreadsheet to see if GRAYCAT opened or closed any tables through the tournament. If there was activity on his computer, yet blinding out for some reason we could assume this was signifigant.

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Yea or was he moved tables at any point?

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Okay, not to keep dropping new pieces of info or w/e, but this is interesting.

The user GRAYCAT, who was implicated in the same type of cheating during the same time period, also played this 1K event. However, he *blinded out* of it. He was seated at Table 14 and didn't play a single hand.

Credit to MrTimCaum for making me look into GRAYCAT.

I don't know what to make of this, if anything. Maybe the guy couldn't keep up and registered two accounts by mistake.

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Is it possible with the spreadsheet to see if GRAYCAT opened or closed any tables through the tournament. If there was activity on his computer, yet blinding out for some reason we could assume this was signifigant.

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Yea or was he moved tables at any point?

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GRAYCAT was on Table 14 for the whole history that we have.

We don't know which user names opened whatever tables.

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I am assuming that a player on, say, table 2, would be recorded when opening, say, table 15, as an observer. I say this because Mark Seif played in the tournament on Table 9. He then opened Table 3 for a few seconds (seemingly unrelated) in the middle of the event. That is not to implicate Seif. I only say that because his email is obviously him. Lastly, this means that the 2nd guy with the AP email could easily be POTRIPPER because, for a few seconds, he opened up a table in the event that POTRIPPER was not on. By opening the table, he basically revealed himself to us.

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Ok so since we know Mark Seif's email when he opened a random table we were able to match that email with his username. But since we don't know Potripper's email then we can't know for sure he was the one opening another table. Couldn't it have just been anyone at the table? If the information just comes from anyone opening any table, couldn't it just be someone at a random table opening up another table just to check out maybe a chip leader or something? To get reads? Or maybe someone not even involved in the cheating at all just opening the table of another friend that wasn't involved?

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Okay, not to keep dropping new pieces of info or w/e, but this is interesting.

The user GRAYCAT, who was implicated in the same type of cheating during the same time period, also played this 1K event. However, he *blinded out* of it. He was seated at Table 14 and didn't play a single hand.

Credit to MrTimCaum for making me look into GRAYCAT.

I don't know what to make of this, if anything. Maybe the guy couldn't keep up and registered two accounts by mistake.

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Is it possible with the spreadsheet to see if GRAYCAT opened or closed any tables through the tournament. If there was activity on his computer, yet blinding out for some reason we could assume this was signifigant.

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No. We can only see which observers opened and closed tables. And it only shows email/IP info, not their username. So we can't tie email/IP to username except in situations where we know them already. And I don't know GRAYCAT or POTRIPPER's email/IP for sure.

I am assuming that a player on, say, table 2, would be recorded when opening, say, table 15, as an observer. I say this because Mark Seif played in the tournament on Table 9. He then opened Table 3 for a few seconds (seemingly unrelated) in the middle of the event. That is not to implicate Seif. I only say that because his email is obviously him. Lastly, this means that the 2nd guy with the AP email could easily be POTRIPPER because, for a few seconds, he opened up a table in the event that POTRIPPER was not on. By opening the table, he basically revealed himself to us.

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Wow.

For the sake of being thorough, can you look up steamroller and doubledrag (also suspected super-users)?

Also, did you track down graycat's IP?

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Wow.

For the sake of being thorough, can you look up steamroller and doubledrag (also suspected super-users)?

Also, did you track down graycat's IP?

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They didn't play in the event (I think).

And, once again, there's no way to tie user names with IPs unless we also know user name/user email relationships.