Stars VIP Wild speculation

[rwesty]

Bonuses in some form at 1k, 5k, 20k and possibly 50k VPP per month should be considered. Many players that will hit 50k or 150k VPPs for the year would respond to these types of incentives.

Also, more regular promotions. Bonuses that you can work off, happy hours, double VPP, get 100 VPP in a day and you enter a drawing, monthly or weekly bonuses or promtions, etc... basically anything that gives people (fish) extra motivation to play.

Somewhat unrelated... but when the majority of the Supernova Elites are SNG players even while it's well understood that SNGs are not the easiest or fastest way to take money away from fish it becomes very clear that SNG rake is too high and should be adjusted lower.

[Tryptamean]

When do they typically announce changes for the coming year?

[Alobar]

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bumpking - great post.

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[Scottyy]

------When do they typically announce changes for the coming year?

Jan 1st

[OnlinePro]

Ok ill try this in the politically correct manner. Stars is great bla bla bla great customer service bla bla. Now that we got all the [censored] out the way lets get back to business.


1. Great point someone just brought up about getting fish to log in and play every day. Add more value for fish 0-200k area.


2. Bottom line is this. If stars is having with getting " most" of our play from the full timers, then keep the promos the same or close to the same. But if they want "all" of our play they are going to have to do something much better. Because game selection at stars is horrible. I dont get all of you saying games are good there. IS everyone playing No-limit now a days.

Any 6 max table you open up as minimum 3 pros and most likely 4. Chezlaw, marchinvest, sethypoo, and then if I am on the table that would make it 4. ALthough I am sure everyone gets excited to see me on the tables at stars since I cant win a hand, but lets not get back to the rigged thing because thats a whole nother idea. SO lets say that next year

Lets use this example.

The above mentioned 4 players play at least 6 tables at a time of 6 max 5-10 to 10-20. What happens next year if they dont like the deal stars is giving them ? What if they smarten up and talk to someone high up at Full tilt and see how high of an offer Fulltilt will give them for all that play ( hint, hint ). Now you have 6-10 tables that will just break.

120 hands per hour average - 2 dollar per hand rake average

lets use 7 tables as example.

240 times 7. Thats more than 1500 per hour stars misses out on per day times 6 times 4 times 12. Do you see where I am getting at. Thats 3.9 million thats stars loses if these 4 players dont play next year( using average 3 hours play per day ) . And how much are they getting back ? If they all make elite which I think they are Lets make a high estimate and say they get 350k

Dont sell yourselves short, you mean alot to this site and make them reward you handsomly for your play. This is why I am calling them stingy, because they know how valuble we are to them, yet they want to do the least amount possible to keep us playing. If you guys were half as smart as you think you are you would require these things.

Also a great idea was the happy hour thing, get more rewards for playing in less prime time hours.

The freeroll should not even be in question, get rid of the tournaments all together. Thats alreayd 1-2 million that can be added to the milestone or whatever bonuses that increases the amount people play.

[1p0kerboy]

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4. Whether they adjust the VPP program or not, I think they should implement something in addition where if you log in and get at least [X] VPPs per day, then you get a bonus for the number of days you play in a month. i.e. if you get at least 100VPPs/day for 20 days, then you get some sort of bonus. If you do it for 25 days, then a bigger bonus. If it's 1,000VPPs/day, then your bonus is also larger. etc, etc. Just an idea would be to take your minimum VPPs in a day, multiply it by # of days played that month and that's the # of extra FPPs you get for the month (say a 20-day/100VPP minimum). i.e. your minimum day that month was 400 VPPs and you played 23 days, then you would get 400*23 = 9,200 FPPs for the month.

4 (summary): I think Stars needs more people to just log in. If people are like me, then once you start up some tables, you're gonna sit there for some minimum period of time. If they could get people to just log in everyday, then those people are gonna play.

5. Point #4 is somewhat stolen from PartyPoker. Along those lines, having a "happy" hour where the FPP multiplier is increased by an additional % to get and keep games going during low hours could be key also.

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I think these are brilliant.

[1p0kerboy]

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* If there is no change to the current system, I plan to steal Prodigy's outstanding idea of mixing in some Full Tilt tables to maximize game selection & rewards once I pass 500K (right now I play 100% Stars).

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Ditto.

I'm actually already doing this. But I don't want to. I like playing at Stars.

[NewGuy]

Stars is not exactly stingy.

Anyway, while I definitely support the idea of additional incentives for a SuperNova+ incentive for 750k+ (and I'll hit maybe 200k in 2008), it's important to note that it may or may not be self-funding.

For some people, Stars gains an extra 50-200K VPP (or $10-$30k in rake) when they decide to "go for" the next incentive at 750k. The flip side though, is that Stars has to pay EVERYONE who goes well above 750K and would have anyway.

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4. Whether they adjust the VPP program or not, I think they should implement something in addition where if you log in and get at least [X] VPPs per day, then you get a bonus for the number of days you play in a month. i.e. if you get at least 100VPPs/day for 20 days, then you get some sort of bonus. If you do it for 25 days, then a bigger bonus. If it's 1,000VPPs/day, then your bonus is also larger. etc, etc. Just an idea would be to take your minimum VPPs in a day, multiply it by # of days played that month and that's the # of extra FPPs you get for the month (say a 20-day/100VPP minimum). i.e. your minimum day that month was 400 VPPs and you played 23 days, then you would get 400*23 = 9,200 FPPs for the month.

4 (summary): I think Stars needs more people to just log in. If people are like me, then once you start up some tables, you're gonna sit there for some minimum period of time. If they could get people to just log in everyday, then those people are gonna play.



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I think this a good "add-on" program to encourage people to play, esp. fish and lower-volume players. This idea is very similar to FullTilt's IronMan promo. Earn 200 FTP points over 15/20/25 points in a calendar month and you earn Iron/Gold/Silver status, which gives you a) FTP medals (worth from ~$5 up to a max of ~$50/month) b) a choice between a monthly Freeroll entry with an EV of $120/$80/$40 OR bonus medals worth another $5-$20/month.

Note: One of the best / most important parts of the FTP IronMan promo- the value goes UP every month you make the hurdle to reward loyalty / consistency. You get reset to the "base" reward the 1st month you don't make the bottom level. In this way, you end up feeling committed to the promo once you're several months in.

FWIW, I think it's an EXTREMELY effective promo, it encourages people to play many sessions for very low little expenditures on FTP's part.

This promo does end up sucking extra play out of me for one. Maybe 5 or 10 days a month I'll log in "just to get my 200 points", and end up playing 5x that amount because I get stuck / tables are good / whatever.

(They also have a "1 point a day" promo - play EVERY day in a month and get an entry into a freeroll. This one is just ridiculous IMO).

[Dennisa]

I also really like your post bumpking.

Due to not playing the first 3 months of the year and having a 40 hr / week job in July, I will not make supernova until around December. I can speak for the lowest level of Nova's. Just as microbob is a psuedo prop for middle to high limits, I play as a psuedo prop for the 25/50 NL games. I do keep a lot of them going.

I would be very disappointed if they took the free rolls away. For the 100k-200k we only get two benefits from being a nova, and you would be devaluing one of the benefits that I would like to use. Granted the free rolls are a perfect time for myself (11-12am) on a Saturday morning. I could even see Stars moving the free rolls 3 hours early so they would be noon on the East Coast. Not sure what the change would do for Europe, but I am not sure it would be any worse then its now. Bottom line, is that Stars needs to keep us generic novas happy also.

Dennisa

[Henry17]

I agree with keeping the <200k SNs happy but I'm very anti-freerolls without giving SNs the option of opting out. I think Stars should avoid any benefit where A gets EV from B losing EV. Communal benefits cause issues as someone will always feel jilted.

I'd say a $2000 milestone at 150k or even $2500 if the budget allowed for it might satisfy everyone. It is more impressive then $100 a week to get it all at once. It still only costs Stars $1250. It is equal for everyone.

The $2500 would make SN milestones = $30k which is a nice round number for marketing purposes.