Things in news stories that bug you

[gumpzilla]

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Nick and b_j were nice enough to provide examples.

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I see what you did there.

[NicksDad1970]

Mine was specific. I mean the ticker didn't say the guys name and I was saying what part of it really bothered me.

A specific example was on an AM station here in Memphis where some guy names Savage comes on at like 7:30 local. He was talking about how Bill Clinton secretly put NATO symbols on our fighters supporting the Kosovo deal and killing all these civilians.

My specific problem with that is that I was in Italy at Aviano AB supporting these planes and Savage was full of it. The signs on the side of our fighters had their base letters, nothing new or different.

I didn't like Bill Clinton all that much but I hate it when people make up stuff like that just to knock others down.

[guids]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar7.html


This story is really pissing me off, 50 something mexicans on death row, are going to be wasting more of our tax dollars because of a BS international law.



The situation of Mexicans facing capital punishment in Texas has been a sore point in relations between Washington and Mexico City. Mexico argues that its citizens would fare better in Texas courts if they got aid from home-country diplomats.





Ya, well, guess what, they committed the crime in the US, and found guilty in the US, gfy mexico, just keep sending us your slave laborers, and keep your mouth shut from now on.

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Ya, well, guess what, they committed the crime in the US, and found guilty in the US, gfy mexico, just keep sending us your slave laborers, and keep your mouth shut from now on.

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Well, we signed a treaty saying they had to have access to a consul, and that treaty is supposed to be American law at that point. So even by our laws this seems to be how it should go. Also, while military bases are a slightly different context, it's not like Americans don't push very hard for extraterritoriality for the soldiers we station overseas.

[guids]

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Ya, well, guess what, they committed the crime in the US, and found guilty in the US, gfy mexico, just keep sending us your slave laborers, and keep your mouth shut from now on.

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Well, we signed a treaty saying they had to have access to a consul, and that treaty is supposed to be American law at that point. So even by our laws this seems to be how it should go. Also, while military bases are a slightly different context, it's not like Americans don't push very hard for extraterritoriality for the soldiers we station overseas.

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soldiers v civilians....completely different



and just because it is law doesnt mean it is a good one.

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soldiers v civilians....completely different



and just because it is law doesnt mean it is a good one.

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So if you were to commit a crime overseas, you would be okay with being tried and convicted by local law while being denied contact with your embassy? That is my understanding of what's going on here. And you think that the military should not be subject to these restrictions? Even for cases like this one?

[guids]

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soldiers v civilians....completely different



and just because it is law doesnt mean it is a good one.

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So if you were to commit a crime overseas, you would be okay with being tried and convicted by local law while being denied contact with your embassy? That is my understanding of what's going on here. And you think that the military should not be subject to these restrictions? Even for cases like this one?

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Yes, if I commit a crime overseas, I should be held accountable and go through the same process as the people who live there, I should not receive any extra help.

The military, in cases of non-combatant situations should have to abide by the laws of the country that they are in. The people who piloted those planes should have been tried in Italian court imo.

[StevieG]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar7.html

This story is really pissing me off, 50 something mexicans on death row, are going to be wasting more of our tax dollars because of a BS international law.


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guids,

The US was a primary backer of this treaty back in the 60s since so many international travelers were Americans and at risk of being railroaded if arrested.

So far, the US court system has set aside the ruling from the international court. The appeal to the Supreme Court is the final stop.

Also, the Bush administration is actually supporting Medellin, not because it necessarily cares about him, but because they think they are defending powers of the executive branch.

If anything, this is a really interesting case of where treaties fit into US law, and what discretion the executive branch has to enforce the supremacy of those treaties over US law.

[kiddynamite]

I live in Orlando and that lawsuit story has made the front page for a couple days....lol@ her being an undercover hooker. Shame she didn't break her neck.