High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)

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That Gold's riverbluff wasn't so bad. He showed the 4 of clubs, with what worse hands he could have got to the river? I mean calling with 4 high single card flush draw is donkish even for Jamie.

[ChrisV]

Like I said I'd have called before he showed the 4, but a better question would be why he shows the 4 with the flush when the logical conclusion from showing it is that he has the flush. I think I'd still tend to put him on J4, 94 or 44 and raise small, but its possible I'd think he has the flush and fold. The point is tho Eli should have called or raised already.

[FGators]

So what does the preview for next week say?

Are we getting a new lineup soon?

Sounds like this half million dollar table can't come soon enough.

[andy099]

Worst episode ever. Complete trash

[BarryLyndon]

IMO, I think Daniel was advertising with that hand v. Jennifer. Looking bad on TV presents some nice +EV in tournaments and cash games later on.

I mean, I know Daniel is capable of making "big calls," but there is no [censored] way any semi-capable player, let alone a high stakes player, makes this call unless he loses all reason, which maybe Daniel is capable of from time to time. I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold. I have to give him credit - he's really out to make some strong analytical moves. He's making plays based on stack sizes and math, not on goofy home game tactics, which seems to be the mantra of the table. I think that his antics at the WSOP 2006 were ridiculous and I would trust that man to guard a Snickers bar let alone any sum of money, but he's at the very least, an interesting player with a strong upside.

Barry

[ChrisV]

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I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

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Do you think { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } is a reasonable range? Because stacking off is good against that. If not, what other hands would you include?

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The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold.

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Er, lol.

[BarryLyndon]

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I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

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Do you think { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } is a reasonable range? Because stacking off is good against that. If not, what other hands would you include?

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The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold.

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Er, lol.

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Nothing to laugh at. His plays are arguably the most intricate and well thought out this season.

You may want to put Ks7s and 77 in that range too. And K10o, where is that? No, I don't think that stacking off against that is reasonable. Your crushed or you are racing to 12 outs. It's not a tournament, you have only 8K invested so you are by no means committed.

[WutRUTryin2Hit]

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I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

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Do you think { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } is a reasonable range? Because stacking off is good against that. If not, what other hands would you include?


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I don't think this is a tight enough range for a supernit who literally didn't play a single hand in the first 2 episodes. I think she may play an OESFD like this, but I think that putting her on a bare flush draw is just waaaay too loose. Raising here with a flush draw is standard in a lot of online games, but ff you think back to other episodes of HSP each season, the number of people who make big raises with flush draws is very, very small compared to people just flat-calling. Mike Whatshisname did it this episode against the donkey with A6, that's about the only one I recall offhand. These guys just don't play their hands the same way the average MSNL or HSNL player here does, I think only JQ and I guess 89s make sense there. Also you didn't include a lot of other hands that beat KQ in your range. Maybe you don't think Jenn would have flat-called preflop with a pocket pair or AK, but again, this is HSP, not a tough online game.

I agree with Barry that Daniel played this hand pretty horrible. There was like 9k or something in the pot when it got to Jenn and she was like "okay, I'm the biggest nit on this show and I wanna play a 150k pot, kay?" and he was like "I got top pair and I will put you on a hand I am coinflipping with so I can call kay?". God forbid he should fold there and she does have JQs and he's like "omg, I lost like 4k in equity by folding in this pot!".

[WutRUTryin2Hit]

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The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold. I have to give him credit - he's really out to make some strong analytical moves. He's making plays based on stack sizes and math, not on goofy home game tactics, which seems to be the mantra of the table. I think that his antics at the WSOP 2006 were ridiculous and I would trust that man to guard a Snickers bar let alone any sum of money, but he's at the very least, an interesting player with a strong upside.


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I gotta say I agree here, I really feel that Gold has potential, and you nailed it, he really seems to be the only guy trying to play good poker. I was watching this episode, and at one point I just looked at the hands on the left side of the screen and there were like 5 ppl in a raised pot with Q2s and 34o hands, and I was thinking like, why do I even watch this show? If they televised a table of newbie play money players playing live, the way hands were played would look pretty much like this lineup plays them. Bring back the first lineup from this season already, that was a great, great show. This episode was utter garbage, just unentertaining, boring stuff. I didn't think it could get any worse than watching 3 minutes of Hellmuth talking about insurance a few episodes ago, but it did.

[JDesab]

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I gotta say I agree here, I really feel that Gold has potential, and you nailed it, he really seems to be the only guy trying to play good poker. I was watching this episode, and at one point I just looked at the hands on the left side of the screen and there were like 5 ppl in a raised pot with Q2s and 34o hands, and I was thinking like, why do I even watch this show? If they televised a table of newbie play money players playing live, the way hands were played would look pretty much like this lineup plays them. Bring back the first lineup from this season already, that was a great, great show. This episode was utter garbage, just unentertaining, boring stuff. I didn't think it could get any worse than watching 3 minutes of Hellmuth talking about insurance a few episodes ago, but it did.

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arrrggghh... great poker players play great after the flop!!! those preflop requirements you people are holding so dear are guidelines for the novices to keep themselves from getting burnt. it's disgusting how internet players rule the poker world.

this is how poker is. that i keep reading posters here criticizing pre-flop holdings and thinking that this is some off the wall portrayal of poker is just senseless.

i'll say it again. great players play poker after the flop. great players play poker after the flop. get it .. got it... good.

now stop trying to judge and condemn the play of these people and just watch and learn.