The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko

[vhawk01]

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speaking of strawmen


evidence necessary to convict in a criminal trial is nowhere close to preponderance of evidence or ability to think logically



Look at what Bonds has said
add up all the little things
look at his numbers
look at his pictures

hmmmmmmmmmm... there are quite alot of things I don't have 100% proof for, but it would be insane for me not to believe them




keep going there Cochran

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Dude, RedBean, how could you possibly have been so negligent as to forget about "the little things?"

[MyTurn2Raise]

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speaking of strawmen


evidence necessary to convict in a criminal trial is nowhere close to preponderance of evidence or ability to think logically



Look at what Bonds has said
add up all the little things
look at his numbers
look at his pictures

hmmmmmmmmmm... there are quite alot of things I don't have 100% proof for, but it would be insane for me not to believe them




keep going there Cochran

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Dude, RedBean, how could you possibly have been so negligent as to forget about "the little things?"

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I notice, once again, someone glossing over stuff and trying to identify one point where they can try to twist a semantic argument to discredit the rest of what was said


congrats

[RedBean]

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Dude, RedBean, how could you possibly have been so negligent as to forget about "the little things?"

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I notice, once again, someone glossing over stuff and trying to identify one point where they can try to twist a semantic argument to discredit the rest of what was said


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What is he glossing over?

You assert the evidence against Bonds to be:

1. "what he said"
2. "his numbers"
3. "his pictures"
4. "the little things"

I'll engage in intelligent, rational debate about all 4 of these items until I'm blue in the face, if you'd like, but to be honest the sarcasm dripping from Vhawk's reply to you was due to the fact that such debate probably isn't possible by the mere fact that you are pointing to numbers and pictures as evidence of steroid use.

[Triumph36]

i thought i was bored of these threads - nope, they are still awesome. redbean ftw.

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i thought i was bored of these threads - nope, they are still awesome. redbean ftw.

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hahahahhahahahahah.....how did he win?

he creates fictitious points and beats them---whoopeee

I've dragged his ass through the ground on this



I clearly see you are trolling me now just because shortstacks are stealing from your bucket....lollerskates

[Triumph36]

plenty of non-shortstacks have tried to beat redbean. he's unassailable unless you actually come armed with facts. you are making yourself look worse and worse with these 'refutations' which are basically hand-waving, and then laughing. they're not arguments at all.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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plenty of non-shortstacks have tried to beat redbean. he's unassailable unless you actually come armed with facts. you are making yourself look worse and worse with these 'refutations' which are basically hand-waving, and then laughing. they're not arguments at all.

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pretty sure I've won


not handwaving

strong knit of the most relevant items

Bonds tried to gain power and size--he did but plateaued
suddenly, it bursts to the next level at the same time his personal training squad is heavily involved with doping--part of that circle goes to prison
his numbers get a late career power surge that doesn't match the sabermetric expectations

I would value someone's reasoning skills and life abilities as lower if they did not think Bonds was doping



EDIT: I'll also state that nowhere did I allege any violation of MLB rules or whatever. Hell, the chemists are so far ahead of laws and testing that it's pretty laughable.

My case is that Bonds doped. He received some benefit from it. How much? who knows. He probably would've broke the record someday anyway. He is one of, if not the greatest hitter in baseball history. However, he still doped.

[RedBean]

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i thought i was bored of these threads - nope, they are still awesome. redbean ftw.

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I figured somewhere along the way of arguing the same old tired allegations for 6+ years that I might as well try to make the threads somewhat entertaining along the way for the lurking folks who have to suffer the same freaking topic over and over and over.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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Dude, RedBean, how could you possibly have been so negligent as to forget about "the little things?"

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I notice, once again, someone glossing over stuff and trying to identify one point where they can try to twist a semantic argument to discredit the rest of what was said


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What is he glossing over?

You assert the evidence against Bonds to be:

1. "what he said"
2. "his numbers"
3. "his pictures"
4. "the little things"

I'll engage in intelligent, rational debate about all 4 of these items until I'm blue in the face, if you'd like, but to be honest the sarcasm dripping from Vhawk's reply to you was due to the fact that such debate probably isn't possible by the mere fact that you are pointing to numbers and pictures as evidence of steroid use.

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what??????????????

you look at those numbers and those pictures combined with Barry's personal attitude and the close relationships he had with dopers, yet don't see that as very compelling evidence of performance enhancement product use above and beyond OTC use???????????

hahahahhahahahahha
hahahhahahahahhahah
rofl


hahahahahhahahah

EDIT: notice everyone how i've used the tactic largely adopted by some people in the long-going Barry saga of reducing the opposing view by laughing at it as it doesn't even merit consideration.

[vhawk01]

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Dude, RedBean, how could you possibly have been so negligent as to forget about "the little things?"

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I notice, once again, someone glossing over stuff and trying to identify one point where they can try to twist a semantic argument to discredit the rest of what was said


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What is he glossing over?

You assert the evidence against Bonds to be:

1. "what he said"
2. "his numbers"
3. "his pictures"
4. "the little things"

I'll engage in intelligent, rational debate about all 4 of these items until I'm blue in the face, if you'd like, but to be honest the sarcasm dripping from Vhawk's reply to you was due to the fact that such debate probably isn't possible by the mere fact that you are pointing to numbers and pictures as evidence of steroid use.

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what??????????????

you look at those numbers and those pictures combined with Barry's personal attitude and the close relationships he had with dopers, yet don't see that as very compelling evidence of performance enhancement product use above and beyond OTC use???????????

hahahahhahahahahha
hahahhahahahahhahah
rofl


hahahahahhahahah

EDIT: notice everyone how i've used the tactic largely adopted by some people in the long-going Barry saga of reducing the opposing view by laughing at it as it doesn't even merit consideration.

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Wow, thats exactly what I thought you'd say and exactly why your position is useless. I could laugh at you, if I were as simple.