200: Warning: A Different Line with QQ

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If you've been 3-betting him a lot I'd just 3-bet here and hope he pushes over the top with a weaker hand.

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definitely. This is correct and I don't think there is a good second best option. As played I might vbet the rive for like $60.

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bet river, you have the best hand. let him figure out with what he can call

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I think he has air more than anything else here, so I don't see value in a river bet.

[1p0kerboy]

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Why no 3-bet preflop?

By only calling, you are giving him infinite odds to hit the flop. I don't think queens are a hand that you want to slowplay from start to finish.

[threads13]

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Why no 3-bet preflop?

By only calling, you are giving him infinite odds to hit the flop. I don't think queens are a hand that you want to slowplay from start to finish.

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I wouldn't say they are infinite since he did put in a raise. It would be infinite if he put in nothing.

Nevertheless, I am curious the reasoning for no preflop raise.

[Renton]

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Why no 3-bet preflop?

By only calling, you are giving him infinite odds to hit the flop. I don't think queens are a hand that you want to slowplay from start to finish.

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You aren't giving him any implied odds by calling. The reason is because u are calling with a wide range that consists of 22-AA AK AQs and suited connectors.

What you are however doing by coldcalling with QQ+ some of the time here, is depolarizing your range on the flop and turn. Where it once was underpair or set, a range that is very easy to play against from villains standpoint, now becomes underpair, set, top pair, overcards/draws, overpairs, a range that is much more tricky to optimally play against out of position.

[friedace]

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Why no 3-bet preflop?

By only calling, you are giving him infinite odds to hit the flop. I don't think queens are a hand that you want to slowplay from start to finish.

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You aren't giving him any implied odds by calling. The reason is because u are calling with a wide range that consists of 22-AA AK AQs and suited connectors.

What you are however doing by coldcalling with QQ+ some of the time here, is depolarizing your range on the flop and turn. Where it once was underpair or set, a range that is very easy to play against from villains standpoint, now becomes underpair, set, top pair, overcards/draws, overpairs, a range that is much more tricky to optimally play against out of position.

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I agree with Renton. Also, if we 3bet to $24 preflop lets say, he has $269 in this stack, there is $35 in the pot, and we have him covered. He has to call $16 to win $304, or 19:1. So, another downside of 3betting is bloating the pot and giving him perfect stack odds, which lets him stack us easily. With a call, we control the pot, can let him bluff of money, and can fold if he show read strength.

I tend to follow NLHETP advice which suggests calling with QQ pf most of the time, and reraising about 10-20% of the time and this is a good example of when calling is beneficial.

It seems like most people think QQ or AK is an automatic 3bet preflop like 90% of the time. I don't think this is so, but I'd like to hear the arguments in favor of this approach and maybe comments on the advantages of calling that have been discussed above.

friedace

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Yeah, I don't like the river bet either. There are maybe 2 hands he can call with and a bunch he can induce a bluff with. He just needs a weak A to beat us, which matches his line well enough.

[Renton]

call pre is fine. Definitely 2/3s + of the time i'd 3bet here just bc of ur image.

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If you've been 3-betting him a lot I'd just 3-bet here and hope he pushes over the top with a weaker hand.

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definitely. This is correct and I don't think there is a good second best option. As played I might vbet the rive for like $60.

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I think a lot of times we tailor our "balancing acts" towards aggression, whereas I think there are a lot of times when we can tailor it towards passiveness. We have deep stacks here, and I can use my position to my advantage here. The larger the pot gets in porportion to the stacks, the less my position means to me. I can really get him thinking in these spots with plays like this which allow me to get free cards and showdowns with other hands and so forth. I'm calling here with a LOT of hands PF. I would be doing so with suited 2 gappers, suited aces, unsuited connectors, pps and so forth.


That's my $.02 anyway.