$100NL - QQ, M-Set, All Heart flop.

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but their AF's mean that you're behind.

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if the sample size is decent

they are far far more aggro than most <20VPIPs

2AF with a 50VPIP is very aggro, probably something in the upper3/4 range if they were 18VPIP

[five4suited]

Thank you for pointing that out.

[Landlord79]

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but their AF's mean that you're behind.

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if the sample size is decent

they are far far more aggro than most <20VPIPs

2AF with a 50VPIP is very aggro, probably something in the upper3/4 range if they were 18VPIP

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Can you elaborate on this? I want to get my hands around it to understand fully what you are saying.

[SABR42]

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but their AF's mean that you're behind.

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if the sample size is decent

they are far far more aggro than most <20VPIPs

2AF with a 50VPIP is very aggro, probably something in the upper3/4 range if they were 18VPIP

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Can you elaborate on this? I want to get my hands around it to understand fully what you are saying.

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Someone with a very high VPIP is seeing a ton of flops, and most of the time he's going to have nothing on the flop. It's harder to bet/raise when you have air or weak draws most of the time.

[Chargers In 07]

what if he just plays hit or miss poker? his stats would not reflect that.

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what if he just plays hit or miss poker? his stats would not reflect that.

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Well it's really hard to play "hit or miss" when you have a VPP over 50%. Quite often they hit something like mid pair, top pair no kicker, or draws, which they're not folding, but not raising either because they're calling stations.

[crunny]

wow, i learnt something from this thread. So how is AF calculated?
Is there a formula to calculate someones relative aggression using vpip and AF?

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wow, i learnt something from this thread. So how is AF calculated?
Is there a formula to calculate someones relative aggression using vpip and AF?

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(bet + raise )/call

so technically if they just fold a lot(since folding isn't factored in it) they can have an abnormally high AF, but vast majority of 50VPIPs don't turn nitty postflop, so he's betting a lot to have an AF of 2

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wow, i learnt something from this thread. So how is AF calculated?

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It's just the times they bet/raise over the times they call. Folding is not involved.

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Is there a formula to calculate someones relative aggression using vpip and AF?

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Usually players with higher VPIP tend to have lower AF, but it can vary from player to player. Some uber-nits have huge AF's because they play so few hands that they have overpairs and sets a large% of the time when they show strength.

Really loose players tend to have low AF's because they flop hands that they are likely to call with, rather than raise with. If someone has BOTH a huge VPIP and a huge AF, they are basically maniacs who are trying to win every pot. You can stack off against them with really weak made hands because they will usually have worse.