Overplaying TPTK, Overpairs Live vs. Online

AsydRayne · #1 09-19-2007, 03:13 PM

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over the last 10k hands I am negative on JJ QQ KK and AKo.

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Hmm. Maybe this is a bad example hand. Perhaps you are misplaying in reraised pots?

HustlerLA · #2 09-19-2007, 06:14 PM

I dont want to overlook any possibility but I dont think I am misplaying the 3bet pots. For the most part I am always 3betting pre with my premium hands above and putting it in on fairly safe boards, I have run into lots of 2pairs and sets from hands I dominated preflop.
in a 3bet pot I would only be more commited to TPTK or overpairs due to I have a large portion of my stack in (SPR).

Accordingly I think this is a good example because I dont fault myself for getting stacked with overpairs in 3bet pots, but with hands like these (raised pre and hit overpair or TPTK) perhaps I am making mistakes by going to showdown with it. Thoughts?

pp262 · #3 09-19-2007, 07:01 PM

3-betting flop is fine versus non nits as is calling and checkraising a blank turn if he usually follows up on the turn after raising the flop.

AAismyfriend · #4 09-19-2007, 07:15 PM

This hand is fine, and I'm basically never folding vs this guy since his range is weighted towards draws here. I'd often call the flop and lead a safe turn though. I think you should post more hands as well OP since this one probably isn't a great example.

HustlerLA · #5 09-19-2007, 07:55 PM

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This hand is fine, and I'm basically never folding vs this guy since his range is weighted towards draws here. I'd often call the flop and lead a safe turn though. I think you should post more hands as well OP since this one probably isn't a great example.

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I will take your suggestion and find a few non3bet and 3bet pots where I got stacked with TPTK or overpairs and post them. I would appreciate it if you can take a look and give your thoughts when I do. If these are just spots that are standard to go broke with, I have no problem with that. My goal is to see if I should be getting folding in these spots. As an aside for most of these hands I won't have much history on the villian. I dont have a large PT database yet, but for discussion we can assume I am against either a 32/22/X LAG and a 22/18/X TAG and give suggestions for each. I will find the hands and reply then.

Thanks.

HustlerLA · #6 09-19-2007, 11:23 PM

Okay here are some hands I have gotten allin with TPTK and Overpairs.

A few are definetly just variance/coolers like this first one that have affected my overall rates severely due to small sample size. Should I have folded in these at any place? Please respond inreagards to TAG villain LAG villain and passive fish villain.

Thanks.

Hand1:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

Button ($233.10)
SB ($269.60)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($219.40)
UTG ($174.05)
[color=#C00000]MP ($253.90)
CO ($328.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

.
[color=#666666]1 fold, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $7, [color=#666666]3 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $27, MP calls $18.

Flop: ($53) 9

, K

, 4

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $40, MP calls $40.

Turn: ($133) J

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $154.4 (All-In), MP calls $154.40.

River: ($0) A

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $441.80

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Ks As (two pair, aces and kings).
MP doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $441.80. 

Hand2:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

[color=#C00000]SB ($200)
BB ($376.70)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($200)
MP ($313.85)
[color=#C00000]Button ($204)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

,

. Hero posts a blind of $2.
[color=#666666]1 fold, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to $7, BB calls $6, [color=#CC3333]Hero (poster) raises to $30, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to $211 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls $172 (All-In).

Flop: ($411)

,

[color=#0000FF](3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($411)

[color=#0000FF](3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($411)

[color=#0000FF](3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $411

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has As Ks (one pair, queens).
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $411. Button wins $9. 

Hand3:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

[color=#C00000]Hero ($224.15)
MP ($200)
[color=#C00000]CO ($66.15)
Button ($227)
SB ($86.95)
BB ($95.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

,

.
[color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $7, [color=#666666]1 fold, CO calls $7, [color=#666666]3 folds.

Flop: ($17)

,

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $12, [color=#CC3333]CO raises to $24, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $101, CO calls $35.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($135.30)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($135.30)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $135.30

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Ad Ac (one pair, aces).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $177.15. 

Hand 4:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

CO ($136.50)
Button ($179)
[color=#C00000]SB ($193.85)
BB ($320.70)
UTG ($200.15)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($277.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with

,

.
[color=#666666]1 fold, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $10, CO calls $8, [color=#666666]1 fold, SB calls $9, [color=#666666]1 fold.

Flop: ($31)

,

[color=#0000FF](3 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $20, CO folds, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $40, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $173, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $223.85 (All-In), Hero calls $30.85.

Turn: ($438.70)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($438.70)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $438.70

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
SB doesn't show.
Hero has Ks Kh (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $458.70. 

Hand5:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

BB ($200)
[color=#C00000]UTG ($453.60)
MP ($319.30)
CO ($242.25)
Button ($71)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($646.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

,

.
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $7, [color=#666666]3 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $24, [color=#666666]1 fold, UTG calls $16.

Flop: ($49)

,

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $40, UTG calls $40.

Turn: ($129)

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $100, [color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $200, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $683.65 (All-In), UTG calls $190.60 (All-In).

River: ($910.20)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $910.20

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Qs Qh (three of a kind, queens).
UTG doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $1203.25. 

Hand6:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

[color=#C00000]Hero ($200)
UTG ($404.60)
MP ($329.70)
Button ($200)
[color=#C00000]SB ($226.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

,

.
UTG calls $2, [color=#666666]2 folds, SB completes, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $10, UTG calls $6, SB calls $6.

Flop: ($26)

,

[color=#0000FF](3 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $20, UTG folds, SB calls $20.

Turn: ($66)

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $50, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $198.15 (All-In), Hero calls $122 (All-In).

River: ($410)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $410

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Qd Qh (one pair, queens).
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $410. SB wins $26.15.

berserk · #7 09-19-2007, 11:30 PM

??? You won all of those hands. FWIW the KK on JQx board i would call the minraise and go from there usually, and the last QQ one i might fold to the turn check/raise (though depends on reads. The rest look good/standard

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