Absolute Soulreading/Rigged thread #3

[ikestoys]

Stage #755485696: Holdem No Limit $30 - 2007-09-06 23:57:41.002 (ET)
Table: KENAI Ave (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($36947.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - IKESTOYS ($6042 in chips)
Seat 1 - DAVIDP18 ($7094 in chips)
Seat 4 - FRISCOMELT ($7746 in chips)
Seat 6 - CASH369 ($6000 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $15
FRISCOMELT - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to IKESTOYS [10s Kh]
IKESTOYS - Raises $120 to $120
CASH369 - Folds
DAVIDP18 - Folds
XAJA1 - Calls $120
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $405 to $420
FRISCOMELT - Folds
IKESTOYS - All-In(Raise) $5922 to $6042
XAJA1 - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $5622
*** FLOP *** [6d 6c 9s]
*** RIVER *** [6d 6c 9s 5c] [10d]
*** TURN *** [6d 6c 9s] [5c]
*** SUMMARY ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Ac 2c] (One pair, sixes)
Seat 2: XAJA1 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, sixes [Ac 2c - B:6d,B:6c,P:Ac,B:10d,B:9s]
Seat 5: IKESTOYS collected Total ($12231) All-In HI$12231) with Two Pair, tens and sixes [10s Kh - P:10s,B:10d,B:6d,B:6c,P:Kh]

i run hot [censored]

[Onyyn]

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Stage #755485696: Holdem No Limit $30 - 2007-09-06 23:57:41.002 (ET)
Table: KENAI Ave (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($36947.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - IKESTOYS ($6042 in chips)
Seat 1 - DAVIDP18 ($7094 in chips)
Seat 4 - FRISCOMELT ($7746 in chips)
Seat 6 - CASH369 ($6000 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $15
FRISCOMELT - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to IKESTOYS [10s Kh]
IKESTOYS - Raises $120 to $120
CASH369 - Folds
DAVIDP18 - Folds
XAJA1 - Calls $120
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $405 to $420
FRISCOMELT - Folds
IKESTOYS - All-In(Raise) $5922 to $6042
XAJA1 - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $5622
*** FLOP *** [6d 6c 9s]
*** RIVER *** [6d 6c 9s 5c] [10d]
*** TURN *** [6d 6c 9s] [5c]
*** SUMMARY ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Ac 2c] (One pair, sixes)
Seat 2: XAJA1 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, sixes [Ac 2c - B:6d,B:6c,P:Ac,B:10d,B:9s]
Seat 5: IKESTOYS collected Total ($12231) All-In HI$12231) with Two Pair, tens and sixes [10s Kh - P:10s,B:10d,B:6d,B:6c,P:Kh]

i run hot [censored]

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Why is Xaja1 not in the seat listing? Why is the seating assignment order not 'in order' compared to the action in the hand? Why isn't everyone's action included in the SUMMARY section?

Was this a HH support emailed you? I've had issues with their emailed files being completely screwed up on almost every hand like this.

Just curious, at first it looked like it may have been edited.

[ikestoys]

its is an email...

i fixed the action so it was in the right order, obv i forgot to switch the turn and river

it is a real hand

[Drag]

IMO anyone who still has money on AP should be worried about the site going busto. How had it developed for 'Planet poker'?

[teddyFBI]

Folks - I'll be the first one to hoist Absolute and its "security" reps up on the cross if they butcher this thing in the end, but let's be realistic here, they've basically known about it for all of 36 hours. It's unrealistic to suggest that they'd have a full investigation, conclusion, PR damage-control and solution/restitution plan all rolled out already. Yes, we've got a legitimate beef about the Engrish-speaking low-level support reps who earn 35 rubles / week contradicting each other in their canned email responses to you, but let's give this a little time. I know everyone is hot under the collar -- myself included, after losing $6K to these cheats -- but let's keep our expectations realistic. I'm not diminishing the importance of this situation, but let's give the Mensa squad over at Absolute a little more than 2 days to figure this thing out.
I myself have some calls into some higher-level contacts I have there, who have personally let me know that they're going to let me know how this thing shakes out and what they find (although i'm not expecting a full debriefing on the latter). Keep gathering evidence, but let's not declare Absolute to be a bunch of theiving buffoons based on a couple contradictory statements from low-level support drones.

[ibluffoldladies]

Scientific Method.
Assumption: The cheaters could actually see the hole cards.
Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

[Deuce2High]

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Scientific Method.
Assumption: The cheaters could actually see the hole cards.
Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

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qft and well said these seem like the only two viable options to me as well at the moment.

whoever is doing this obviously is not covering up well and I believe can be caught.

[ur2barredout]

Wow this Payup shiz makes me feel like it definitely an inside job by AP. Payup, Steamroller, Potripper all have won big gtds lately on AP, all have been accused of the same type of cheating. Just a little background for you guys on the 1k tourny, many of the players sat into it. The sat tournys are usually rebuys that guarantee 1 seat and it is very very rare that they ever come close to meeting the 1k because most players dont rebuy let alone add on. Would not be surprising somebody at AP decided they were losing too much monies on these tournys so aahhh screw it lets just win some of them and ship the 30k back to us........

[casaubon]

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Scientific Method.
Assumption: The cheaters could actually see the hole cards.
Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

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qft and well said these seem like the only two viable options to me as well at the moment.

whoever is doing this obviously is not covering up well and I believe can be caught.

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Just from a marketing standpoint, there's no way they would take the steps in theory 1. This isn't politics where they're doing spin control with a media that already knows about this. The people who know about this constitute a small % of their actual player base. Sending out a press release "AP gets hacked!" makes about as much sense and Dunder Mifflen calling a press conference to apologize for an obscene watermark.

Whether they got hacked or it was an inside job, their line would be to contain, kill the accounts behind closed doors, and hope the suckers never find out about it. And as some here have implied, they can do that with the understanding that most thinking players will cooperate, because publicly calling into question the legitimacy of the game kills everyone's golden goose, not just Absolute's.

Think about it. If you go to some live game with a bunch of awful players tonight, would you tell them about how Absolute is rigged? Or when they talk about how they always lose, will you just laugh at them and ask if they need help redepositing?

[ClubChamp04]

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Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

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I'll go with theory 2 given the info provided. A lot of poeple here said that it's impossible to hack the server and no trojans were found on their computer. What else could we believe other than absolute is on the front line of this one?