JJ would you have played it differently?

[TomTom]

Two K’s on the flop makes it more unlikely that anyone has a K then if just 1 K flopped. I think some of the people at Stars .25/.50 realize this, and play back at me on just these flops.

Anyway, the bottom end of your raising range includes AK or even AQ, both pretty frightening hands against a limper. Bet the turn, fold to a C/R.

River I let check thru (but I'm a wuss).

[kerowo]

As you play more hands you will constantly be surprised with what people will all you down with. It's one of the hidden bonuses of playing on-line poker.

I think I'd bet this hand until villain raised. Remember they can't fold unless you bet. Well, they can but still.

[Hi5]

Opponent dependent. Generally I check the turn and bet the river, but it obviously depends on how aggressive your opponent is. Since we know that the opponent did not bet the river, we can say in retrospect that it was probably better to bet the turn (and check the river).

[Smurph64]

i bet the turn and the river, it costs me nothing extra as I have to fold to a c/r

[bozlax]

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i bet the turn and the river, it costs me nothing extra as I have to fold to a c/r

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Meh, bet/fold the turn, take the free showdown.

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i bet the turn and the river, it costs me nothing extra as I have to fold to a c/r

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Meh, bet/fold the turn, take the free showdown.

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To you guys who bets the turn.

What worse hand do you expect to get called with?

How many worse hands do you think he has where handing out free cards is a mistake?

How often do you think he will bluff the river if we check the turn?


I dont think checking is a mistake. There are plenty of hands he will fold to a bet but bluff with on the river.

The pot is smallish so your primary goal should be to get more bets into the pot. If he bluffs a lot when turn gets checked through you should consider a value check.

[Buzz-cp]

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i bet the turn and the river, it costs me nothing extra as I have to fold to a c/r

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Meh, bet/fold the turn, take the free showdown.

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To you guys who bets the turn.

What worse hand do you expect to get called with?

How many worse hands do you think he has where handing out free cards is a mistake?

How often do you think he will bluff the river if we check the turn?


I dont think checking is a mistake. There are plenty of hands he will fold to a bet but bluff with on the river.

The pot is smallish so your primary goal should be to get more bets into the pot. If he bluffs a lot when turn gets checked through you should consider a value check.

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I agree, I don't think checking is a big mistake. However, many bad players are committed to a calldown when hero raises preflop, and autobets this flop, regardless of turn/river cards.

[Fluffy_Shark]

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How many worse hands do you think he has where handing out free cards is a mistake?

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Every Q has 6 outs against us. If he folds one I'd consider that a success even if the pot is only 4BB.

Qhxh, QJ have even more outs (even though those are unlikely)

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How many worse hands do you think he has where handing out free cards is a mistake?

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Every Q has 6 outs against us. If he folds one I'd consider that a success even if the pot is only 4BB.

Qhxh, QJ have even more outs (even though those are unlikely)

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- Qx

In a 4 BB pot you would much rather have him bluff bet the river than have him fold a 6 outer.

That said he needs to bluff bet it fairly often for it to better to check.


- Q high fd.

If he calls that - and I think we can assume that he will - its of course nice to get some value. But again if he will bluff bet the river for you it doesnt really matter when the bet goes in. If you win the hand you win 1 bet and if he sucks out you loose 1 bet.


A basic thing to think about: If your hand isnt good enough to valuebet again on the river you should strongly consider to check the turn.

- A lot of the worse hands that you miss value from on the turn will bet the river. So you win 1 bet anyways

- You will not get c/r and save 2 bets when you were gonna call down a c/r.

- You will see the river with your x outs and not get raised of the hand when you were gonna fold to a c/r.

- When villain was gonna c/f the turn you will sometimes win 1 bet on the river when he bluffs.


If you think you have a valuebet again on the river all those things does not apply as you will loose value from not valuebetting the turn.

[Aaron W.]

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To you guys who bets the turn.

What worse hand do you expect to get called with?

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Medium pocket pairs and a flush draw.

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How many worse hands do you think he has where handing out free cards is a mistake?

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That backdoor flush draw is halfway there if he made a loose flop peel. But I don't think that's the point.

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How often do you think he will bluff the river if we check the turn?

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Probably not as often as he value bets the river with Ax/Kx.

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I dont think checking is a mistake. There are plenty of hands he will fold to a bet but bluff with on the river.

The pot is smallish so your primary goal should be to get more bets into the pot. If he bluffs a lot when turn gets checked through you should consider a value check.

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Your primary goal is to avoid making a mistake and to induce mistakes. This is the type of situation where it's rare you'll get in any more money when you have the best hand. I would rather bet-fold the turn with confidence that he's not bluffing than check and play the "What is his bluffing frequency?" game.

As you say, it's a small pot. But this cuts back against your plan because it means that villain must be bluffing about 20% of the time for your bluff-inducing check to have value.