OK lets get this ball rolling (AP)

[Dan Druff]

There's no question that they are all the same person, for several reasons.

Perhaps they are in a number of different names, but it's clearly the same person behind all of the accounts. Even if it isn't just one person, it is at the very least one person in cahoots with the others.

For simplicity's sake, I think we can treat all of the suspect accounts as belonging to one guy.

[Dan Druff]

Also, what Schneids did was a good start. Everyone with Pokertracker records on this guy needs to compile them into a "report" like Schneids made and post it here.

173 hands, as suspicious as they are, won't be a strong enough case.

[Fatal Fog]

Heard about this thread in absolute chat box. Here is my hands against GrayCat. 1 session played on 8/06, 1 on 8/14 and 2 on 8/15. All hands against me. Comments to come shortly. I am far from convinced that he is cheating.

[Max Raker]

Does anybody know the dates when these players showed up? I have an old hard drive with alot of hands from absolute on it that I was going to throw away but I would definetly look at it if these guys were around before feb 07 as I am down 5k so far and would like to see if I lost any more.

[bugstud]

fog, the shady stuff seems to be after the 8/23 update. Play them anytime since?

[Fatal Fog]

no, I haven't. The way he plays in my hands is similar to what has been described (rarely check/calling river etc.). I'll hopefully get some hands up today that I can comment on, but for now I would say that if this guy is cheating, he is doing it in 2 main ways:

1) Very rarely calling down with ace high, king high, or very small pairs when he is beat.

2) Attacking when his opponent has air that can't withstand aggression.

Obviously, it is pretty difficult to prove that someone doing these two things is cheating.

I have a large number of hands where he makes plays that are not optimal given that he knows my hand. For example 3betting the turn with 2nd pair when I have top two. This could of course be cover up though.

[PartyGirlUK]

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no, I haven't. The way he plays in my hands is similar to what has been described (rarely check/calling river etc.). I'll hopefully get some hands up today that I can comment on, but for now I would say that if this guy is cheating, he is doing it in 2 main ways:

1) Very rarely calling down with ace high, king high, or very small pairs when he is beat.

2) Attacking when his opponent has air that can't withstand aggression.

Obviously, it is pretty difficult to prove that someone doing these two things is cheating.

I have a large number of hands where he makes plays that are not optimal given that he knows my hand. For example 3betting the turn with 2nd pair when I have top two. This could of course be cover up though.

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That's basically how I felt when I played Mark Seif - he played almost like he could see my cards, but did make a couple of FTOP suboptimal plays.

[BradL]

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I have a large number of hands where he makes plays that are not optimal given that he knows my hand. For example 3betting the turn with 2nd pair when I have top two. This could of course be cover up though.

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The way i see it he is up almost 100bb in 500 hands hu against you. He would have to be a fool to not give you a little excessive action on hands to keep your action.

You play a lot and im sure he would like to continue playing you if he is in fact cheating. spewing a few hands is almost necessary in a hu match of any significant duration to not instantly lose your action.

-brad

[Abbaddabba]

this is a repost from another thread..
i spoke to stretch about it earlier, and he was surprised about graycat, so i asked him to post his hands against him.




edit: this is from before the patch

[baronzeus]

that graycat is playing a CLEARLY different style than post update graycat