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Old 09-15-2007, 07:30 PM
bigslicknuts bigslicknuts is offline
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

I just keep calling I think.
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Old 09-15-2007, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

Probably just call also, That is such a gross bet by villian on turn.

Is this guy a reg? If so, I would def call down to see his line, will come in handy in the future.
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Old 09-15-2007, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

In the future, have a plan for your hand. Once you put in 10% of your stack you are at the commitment threshold. Once you put in 30%, you should be committed. Were you committed when you called the turn bet? If so, then call the river.

I think you are behind in this hand. It might be worth a call if you think he would play AK like this. If he doesn't, i think you are toast

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

282 games 0.005 secs 56,400 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.128% 51.06% 01.06% 144 3.00 { 99+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 47.872% 46.81% 01.06% 132 3.00 { TT }

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

186 games 0.005 secs 37,200 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.032% 77.42% 01.61% 144 3.00 { 99+ }
Hand 1: 20.968% 19.35% 01.61% 36 3.00 { TT }
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Old 09-15-2007, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

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In the future, have a plan for your hand. Once you put in 10% of your stack you are at the commitment threshold. Once you put in 30%, you should be committed. Were you committed when you called the turn bet? If so, then call the river.

I think you are behind in this hand. It might be worth a call if you think he would play AK like this. If he doesn't, i think you are toast

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

282 games 0.005 secs 56,400 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.128% 51.06% 01.06% 144 3.00 { 99+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 47.872% 46.81% 01.06% 132 3.00 { TT }

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

186 games 0.005 secs 37,200 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.032% 77.42% 01.61% 144 3.00 { 99+ }
Hand 1: 20.968% 19.35% 01.61% 36 3.00 { TT }

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this 10% stuff sounds ridiculous and the 30% is way too low imo also.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:02 PM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

I dont like flop bet. I would check/call or check/raise the flop.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:06 PM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

I 3 bet preflop, thats just me tho i have issues.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

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I 3 bet preflop, thats just me tho i have issues.

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Why 3-bet? If villain calls you are OOP and I dont like to play big pots out of position.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

On that board he beats 99 and AK, calling all the way thru seems -ev to me.
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Old 09-16-2007, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

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I 3 bet preflop, thats just me tho i have issues.

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Why 3-bet? If villain calls you are OOP and I dont like to play big pots out of position.

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You make up for being OOP by taking the betting initiative. 3-bet then c-bet puts a lot of pressure on players who like to play hands like AQ, AJ & KQ.

Also, by 3-betting the flop and then c-betting, you are finding out where you are in the hand early, when the bets are cheap. If someone calls your 3-bet and your c-bet, or if they play back at you at any time, then you can get away from the hand before you have invested too much.

The key is that you know in advance that you're going to 3-bet & c-bet, but you also know that you're not really commited to the hand unless a T comes on the flop or turn. This goes back to what an earlier posted said about having a plan for the hand.

Like I said earlier, that's how I'd play if the game were shorthanded.
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Old 09-16-2007, 09:15 AM
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Default Re: Just dump the overpair? On what street?

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In the future, have a plan for your hand. Once you put in 10% of your stack you are at the commitment threshold. Once you put in 30%, you should be committed. Were you committed when you called the turn bet? If so, then call the river.

I think you are behind in this hand. It might be worth a call if you think he would play AK like this. If he doesn't, i think you are toast

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

282 games 0.005 secs 56,400 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.128% 51.06% 01.06% 144 3.00 { 99+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 47.872% 46.81% 01.06% 132 3.00 { TT }

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

186 games 0.005 secs 37,200 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.032% 77.42% 01.61% 144 3.00 { 99+ }
Hand 1: 20.968% 19.35% 01.61% 36 3.00 { TT }

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this 10% stuff sounds ridiculous and the 30% is way too low imo also.

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Don't worry. He was just making that up. It's not like those ideas are suppoted by math or anything.
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