Tilt 1k, Turn pair into bluff?

[ZJ123]

if he folds all sets and two piars then its good... if not then i don't like it. Im having a hard time with what his range is. He could have KJ or AJdd, or JJ or QJ. Its really hard to put him on a hand, i wouldnt shove here, but i dont hate it.

[Bond18]

Mench,

Good questions. I hadn't seen the villain engaged in any spots post, mostly his silly 4X LP raises discouraged action or, got him shoved on pre and he folded.

It's quite possible that you can figure out i can't have many J's either, but that would require villain not only putting that together, but then being able to figure i'm willing to turn my hand into an AI bluff here, and then work up the balls to call on a set/two pair having added it all up.

[Bond18]

Additionally,

I don't mean for my defense of the hand to sound like i think i played it well or it was some great idea/play.

I think the big issue in this hand isn't necessarily villains liklihood of having a J, but whether he folds two pairs/sets, and the fact that i'm not sure we're quite deep enough for it.

I probably wouldn't have thought of trying something along this line until i read this great article by Nath:

http://www.tworags.com/index.php?ACT...mp;USER_ID=203

Inevitably, when you try to work something new into your game, you may make technical/execution mistakes. I this this might have been one, but is still a good discussion hand.

[ASPoker8]

Lets assume he plays somewhat good

He has 25BBs and is UTG. What hands with a J is he raising? AJ, JJ.

Is he c/c'ing AJ on this flop? meh, maybe? JJ? possibly?


The only hand that makes sense for him is AdJd? And even that is really strange for him to c/c flop.

I don't hate the river shove tbh

[celticslegend]

oops, wrong thread

[ghostwriter]

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Additionally,

I don't mean for my defense of the hand to sound like i think i played it well or it was some great idea/play.

I think the big issue in this hand isn't necessarily villains liklihood of having a J, but whether he folds two pairs/sets, and the fact that i'm not sure we're quite deep enough for it.

I probably wouldn't have thought of trying something along this line until i read this great article by Nath:

http://www.tworags.com/index.php?ACT...mp;USER_ID=203

Inevitably, when you try to work something new into your game, you may make technical/execution mistakes. I this this might have been one, but is still a good discussion hand.

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What two pair hands is he likely to have, considering he raised utg and checked a K high flop? He bets KQ on the flop, no?

[mikeJ]

I think you might be underestimating the times villain shows up w/ JTs/QJs/KJs.

I think this is marginal @ best, since I'm not sure he value bets two pair/set that often.

I would fold.

[BarryLyndon]

Both of you played the hand like you have a J, except only one of you actually has it :-O.

Barry

[Thegunshow]

Bond,
Why don't you mention JTs in his range here? Maybe he was floating you OOP on the flop and he backdoored a hand here?