STTF SNG->cash thread

[microbet]

[ QUOTE ]
FD,

i posted in the msnl that im always raising this river against the person you described... but if a good player sees you raise this river, he will push this river a lot (as i would) bc if you're this deep, you are NEVER checking the turn behind with a flush.

holla

[/ QUOTE ]

Well of course he's calling if you push over on the river.

[futuredoc85]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
FD,

i posted in the msnl that im always raising this river against the person you described... but if a good player sees you raise this river, he will push this river a lot (as i would) bc if you're this deep, you are NEVER checking the turn behind with a flush.

holla

[/ QUOTE ]

Well of course he's calling if you push over on the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

i would never take this line and then raise this river vs. jason or anyone capable of bluff pushing this river.

[terrellk11]

FD -

That accurate that you're in ATL? Just today got a job offer and may be moving there.

[futuredoc85]

technically in the suburbs but close enough, let me know if you take it.

[Pudge714]

Bengie,
You obviously can't fold that flop with tptk.

Name one hand that you would call/call/raise with that isn't air in H2?

[microbet]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
FD,

i posted in the msnl that im always raising this river against the person you described... but if a good player sees you raise this river, he will push this river a lot (as i would) bc if you're this deep, you are NEVER checking the turn behind with a flush.

holla

[/ QUOTE ]

Well of course he's calling if you push over on the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

i would never take this line and then raise this river vs. jason or anyone capable of bluff pushing this river.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, sorta kidding. Just sayin if reraise this river is close to automatic for a "good" player, it would be profitable to raise/call if you were ahead of his range after he first bet the river. But anyway, I'm pretty sure you guys don't mean a good player is reraising 100% of his range 100% of the time at that point.

Now, going along this sidetrack here, shouldn't a good player be able to have a profitable mix of reraising the river there with nuts/bluffs such that you would be correct to call 100% of the time.

Would it be the maximally profitable mix for that player where he has the minimum number of bluff hands in the mix such that you should call with 100%?

Can this be more generalized?

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Does anyone care?

Let's say his river raise can only be pot sized and 1/2 his current range is ahead of you and 1/2 behind you and you both know this.

By calling you will risk one pot to win two pots.

If he reraises with 3 out of 4 hands in his range, you would win 1 out of those 3 times if you call.

That should make it so that you can call 100% and his profit on that bet is 1/3 pot.

Let's say he raises just a tiny bit more often. 31 out of 40 times. You def call 100% and win 11 out of those 30 times. Well, your call has gone from breakeven to slightly profitable, so that's settles it for him pushing more than 3 out of 4.

Say he pushes 29 out of 40 times. Now you don't call with 100% anymore. Blah, getting too long. Maybe more later. Maybe not.

Ok, I'll just hit submit and see how long it is until someone calls me retarded.

[futuredoc85]

micro, not at all retarded, and thats why IMO you dont raise this river unless you're confident that you have at least a pretty good idea of a river pushing range. Ill go into more detail in a few minutes, im hungry right now.

[blackize]

I'm beginning to question my standard play in spots like this. Villain is 31/24/5 over 30 hands.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $121.30
BB: $83.95
UTG: $177.70
Hero (MP): $100.00
CO: $76.90
BTN: $99.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $3.00

Flop: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.00</font>, Hero ???

[microbet]

blackize,

With his stack anything you do is going to be pretty committing.

He could have a draw, a set, or top pair here. You are probably a little favorite over his range. Will he get the money in with enough of his range? Really hard to say. I see people get it in here with A8 all the time, but you don't have to discount his weaker hands a whole lot before you're in bad shape.

It's not like you were a button raiser and he's putting you on crap. It's not like you've been playing him for a long time and cbetting the hell out of him.

Still 31/24 doesn't look like a set miner.

shrug

[dipstikdave]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($84.65)
Hero ($48)
MP ($24.95)
Button ($25.50)
SB ($49.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($6.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $22.95</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $23.5</font>, Hero calls $19.

Turn: ($76.70) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

River: ($76.70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: $76.70

just sat down 2 orbits ago, so no reads. standard? fold pf?