STTF SNG->cash thread

[Jbrochu]

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Raising to 34 is bad I think. Better to raise to 32 so that if button shoves it reopens the betting.

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That's why I would just raise to $50 in the first place. I doubt the button is folding to $50 if he's calling $32 or $34 and it clears up where the SB stands. Maybe this makes it too easy for the SB to play perfectly though?

[blackize]

Ooph and I was wrong anyway gotta do 30 if you want the betting to remain open. But yeah I think it's better to pot it

[cakewalk]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($152.80)
UTG ($242.10)
Hero ($100)
CO ($96.50)
Button ($65.05)
SB ($295.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $5, SB calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($21) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $60.05</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $237.1</font>, Hero folds.


thoughts ?

i had like 50 left. felt like a fold.

[blackize]

Getting 4 to one with the board this drawy I think I call. But I'm a station

[MadScientist]

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Getting 4 to one with the board this drawy I think I call. But I'm a station

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I don't like raising this strongly if you don't call a shove.

Flat calling the flop bet isn't terrible either in a multi way pot when you are stuck in the middle. This is a great flop for their ranges.
I like a smaller raise to like 30 as the pot is multi way and I'm folding to a shove from anybody but the short stack. I don't like going broke with an overpair in a multi way pot on boards like this.

[Jbrochu]

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Getting 4 to one with the board this drawy I think I call. But I'm a station

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Same. Although I misread the hand the first time around. I thought it was 3 handed and the shortstack made the flop lead.

Damn this hand really sucks. Seems like you need to raise the flop to protect your hand, but if you get all-in on this flop against 3 opponents there is a good chance you're screwed.

[futuredoc85]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($152.80)
UTG ($242.10)
Hero ($100)
CO ($96.50)
Button ($65.05)
SB ($295.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $5, SB calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($21) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $60.05</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $237.1</font>, Hero folds.


thoughts ?

i had like 50 left. felt like a fold.

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[censored] no jesus. dont play anymore until i get there.

[blackize]

Nate you want to flesh out your thoughts on this hand a bit more?

[futuredoc85]

sure, to start with the only read ben has on this guy is that he open-limped, so he's prob not great. Button sucks (stack) so he has any overpair, 8X, any two clubs, any 6X, 2 pair, sets. UTG leads for 1/2 pot and this is more often than not a draw on a board like this, where a set would prob bet more. That's not to say that he wont ever have a set but i think they are discounted significantly and we are much more likely to see a draw or 2 pair. also he's an unknown at .5/1 so if he did limp something like TT/JJ hes prob not folding it. If you are concerned about UTG b/3-betting something strong then you cant raise to 1/2 your stack in the firstplace. once you do you are snapcalling everything so long as SB doesnt shove. You dont have to include many draws/1 pair hands for this to be a call w/ these odds.

[cakewalk]

i dont think you can put 6X in button's range w/ out it being weighted really light

i also don't think that we can discount the weight of sets in UTG's range based on bet sizing..

idk where im going with this. raise/fold half stack ftw