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Old 09-04-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

looking at it again, i def think he has QQ...
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Old 09-04-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

deep as they were if u 3bet QQ in this spot u are kinda lost as to post-flop play , flat calling like that controls pot size and u kinda know where u are in the hand which is with the best hand obv.. im a big fan of that play

and obviously on the river he's putting you on a 7 (A7, 76) or something good and obviously he wants you to call... it looks SO MUCH with QQ man... i dont think 66 does that so big overbet
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

throw it away. I've fallen for this trap so many times its sick.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

jfish, hes more likely to play a legtiamte hand like this then a bluff. Can't assume all the hands you wrote have equal probabilities of turning up.


oh, and lol @ him having QQ. he 3b like 99% of the time
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

FOLD
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

This is definitely a fold.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

if he is bluffing with 42% of his bluffing range the call becomes 0EV (somebody should check my math). on a board like this, given a line like his, i think his bluffing frequency is higher than 42 and a call is +EV.
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

Fold. You were clearly worried or why else keep the pot so small?

Isn't this a bluff less than 42% of the time? My "FU 2" calls in this spot with AA invariably lose. I agree that our hand is completely disguised by the passive play (which I'm not to keen on BTW), but I still don't like villain's shove. What are we folding for $570 that we wouldn't fold for $350?

I think 78 and QQ need to be added to the list of legitimate hands here. If we add these hands and remove the Ad hands from the bluffs, the numbers don't look very good anymore.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

im pretty sure villain never has QQ here...
I think villains hand range is what jfish said it was but a little bit tighter (take out like J8dd, A8dd, etc...)

Also villain probably doesnt think we have set/76 because we're raising the flop with those a lot. I think villain puts us on 7x or 88+...its a good bluffing spot for him.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. AA.... fold river?!?!?

Villain puts us on 7x and it's a good bluffing spot for him?
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