NL50 Big PP play review (long)

chavarie · #1 08-31-2007, 01:14 AM

Hi guys!

I started playing NL50 for a short time and I'm having a hard time playing big pockets (As, Ks and Qs). I want to have a quick overview of those hands. I'm looking for comments about bet sizes and postflop actions. I've lost all those hands but it's really not a whinnin/bad beat/"I'm so not fuc**** lucky". IF you're about to write "Easy fold" or "You were clearly beat nub" than please don't answer [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]. I know I'm not hell of a player but I want to improve and that's why I'm posting here. I started to play NL hold'em cash game about 2 weeks ago and I have a 5,5 bb/100 at 25NL (40k hands). I'm 15,5/8/3,3 and I think that my worst problem is not letting those big pairs go. Thanks in advance for all the instructives answer!

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Hand 1

Villain is solid (17/13/5 over 100 hands) but it seems like he's playing really aggressive against me (not much respect). During the last 2 orbits he reraise me PF 2 times and I folded. Do I have to respect his raise or my shove is good (I mean he's just gonna call with something better than my AA?)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($54.25)
Button ($50)
SB ($23.10)
BB ($36.80)
Hero ($96)
UTG+1 ($25.75)
MP1 ($61.40)
MP2 ($14.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, 3 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $10, Hero raises to $94, CO calls $42.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($109.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($109.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $109.25

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Hand 2

Here when I read the HH I can't see anything except AA and QQ in his PF range. But in the action... Villain is 11/8/0,7 over 250 hands and no particular reads. Maybe the C/R would be a a very little more +ev? By the way I won't fold this PF... is it right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($55.20)
Button ($117.30)
SB ($47.50)
Hero ($60.85)
UTG ($116.40)
UTG+1 ($48.75)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($107.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero raises to $6, MP1 raises to $16.5, Hero calls $10.50.

Flop: ($33.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $44.35 (All-In), MP1 calls $33.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($100.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($100.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $100.25

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Hand 3

Here we are shorthanded and I don't have any stats about the guy. Easy fold on the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($69.80)
MP ($67.80)
CO ($52.05)
Button ($92.75)
SB ($7.55)
Hero ($52.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $6, UTG calls $6, Button folds.

Turn: ($21.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $13, UTG raises to $60.8, Hero calls $30.40 (All-In).

River: ($108.05) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $108.05

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After looking at those HHs I see more mistakes and it's very easy to say that I'm overplaying my big pairs. Maybe that's why I wasn't making more than 5,5/100 at the 25NL? I think I'm a donk guys.. please help me! If you tell me than in hand X you would fold tell me why and under what circonstances you would go AI.

Looking forward for bright answers!

The Donk

Gobias Ind. · #2 08-31-2007, 07:03 AM

Hand 1 is tough. I'm fairly certain you got it in behind, yay riv! There's really no good way to play this hand oop besides shove/fold on flop. Eh, it's nice to be on the good side of variance from time to time.

Hand 2 is a very interesting play. Problem is, JJ is a longshot to call you, though the way you played it might get called in that spot w/ him assuming you're on a complete buy. AA & QQ have to be in his range here. Is he really 3-betting oop w/ AK? I hate this shove a lot more than I like it.

Hand 3 I despise this turn shove. Best-case scenerio: you're getting it vs. 10h/10x, Jh/Jx,Ah/X.

Might be a different story if you had Qh and had potential re-suck vs. a set, and even then . . .vs. a shove there???

Dare I ask, "results"?

seki · #3 08-31-2007, 12:03 PM

1. fine
2. He put 1/3 of his stack in pf, just shove pf.
3. Tough spot with the odds you're getting. I would have bet bigger on the flop and turn, so I definitely couldn't fold to the raise.

chavarie · #4 08-31-2007, 05:15 PM

Thanks a lot for the advices guys! In hand 1 villain had 45s, in hand 2 villain had AA and in 3 villain had AA too. So I guess the plays aren't that bad? Any of them was a clear fold before the AI?

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