Do I fold too much?

[TheHip41]

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are people that are calling the turn calling down? I dare you to find some hand ranges in stove that give us 12% equity.

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if you give MP some combos of dumb stuff like TJ, [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], worse Q, maybe even a smaller pair to go along with 2pair and set hands you can easily get >12%. that is including UTG with a range of flush draws, pairs, and discounted sets and 2pairs.


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seriously keep adding hands until you get to 12% and see what a joke it is. post it.

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MP is a loose passive fish

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you are talking about pokerstove like that's all the hands he could have.

He is a fish because he sucks at poker. He sucks at poker because he doesn't know what to do. Just because he bets the turn doesnt mean we are losing, because this guy sucks at poker, it's hard to infer what his turn bet means.

I'm just saying it's hard to PS a range for a guy, when he calls 1000 bets on the flop and donks the turn. That play pretty much shows he has no clue whats going on.


And all of you folding AQ because "he must have two pair", what are you doing with AA on the turn here? Are you folding AA, raising, calling?

[guenttrs]

With AA i would calldown to this turndonk from a very passive station.

Hero cant fold b/c he has 8 outs to beat villain when behind and there is still a chance to be ahead.
I also wouldnt raise to keep utg in the hand.

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Ok thanks guys.

It must have been a close one since good players here disagree.

I folded BTW. Donkey had JT for the picked up OESD and the other guy won the pot with QT. I have been tilting ever since.

[Heisenb3rg]

he is a fish because he sucks at poker.

He is loose passive because hes loose passive.
They are two connected , but different beasts.

I dont know how you can all argue "loose-passive players do this point 1/2/3/"

I call down or raise if I all I know is "hes a fish"
I fold if I know hes a "loose passive fish"

This all depends on how strong oinks read is on the degree of his passivity

If it's only statistics based, then dont fold.

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This all depends on how strong oinks read is on the degree of his passivity


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All I knew was that he was loose and bad and passive. I didnt really know whether he would be capable of betting a worse hand.

Does that change it to call or raise for you Heis?

[rigoletto]

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This all depends on how strong oinks read is on the degree of his passivity


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All I knew was that he was loose and bad and passive. I didnt really know whether he would be capable of betting a worse hand.

Does that change it to call or raise for you Heis?

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A) Turn donks from bad players like this are often weak hands. It's a cheap mans bluff/semibluff because they want to represent, but don't like putting the money in that a c/r will cost.

B) Calling is dumb. It only makes sense if you can c/f the river UI and the odds are just to big for that - I say this because we are usually either ahead or chrushed on the turn. Raising is god because you will charge both players to draw and you can fold to a 3-bet.

[TheHip41]

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Ok thanks guys.

It must have been a close one since good players here disagree.

I folded BTW. Donkey had JT for the picked up OESD and the other guy won the pot with QT. I have been tilting ever since.

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god i'm awesome [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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Ok thanks guys.

It must have been a close one since good players here disagree.

I folded BTW. Donkey had JT for the picked up OESD and the other guy won the pot with QT. I have been tilting ever since.

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Based on the information in your OP, this is an easy turn fold. However the problem is the information in your OP obviously wasnt accurate becuz a loose/passive player would never donk the turn in that spot. If he did he would cease to be loose/passive in my book. This is an inherent problem with playing poker. Imperfect information will always abound. You do the best you can with the information you have, and you cant look back with any regrets becuz the nature of this game assures that you will always make plenty of FTOP mistakes. You make money from this game becuz other players will be making alot more mistakes than you so everything works out in the end.

Is your turn play close/debatable/defensible? Yes. Put another way, did you play this hand well given the information at your disposal? Yes, and thats all that really matters. The only thing you did wrong here is you apparently let the results affect your future play. You cannot allow this to happen. Youre not some amature. You are a professional so act like one. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]