AYAAH, Electronic poker table at Artichoke Joe's

[mrcunningham]

Chill and Bill,
They say they are going to use it for holdem, and since it is where table 1 used to be, probably 3/6.
They haven't said what the drop will be, but they still intend to have the JP.
It is a big thing and will play 10 handed. Today was play money, but they plan to begin charging tomorrow.
I have to say that I don't like it and hope that nobody uses it, but that's because I don't want to see dealers lose jobs. I might change my mind if the drop is reduced significantly.

It is a monstrosity in more ways than one. Imagine AJs, the last place I'd figure.

[AngusThermopyle]

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I might change my mind if the drop is reduced significantly.


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Total cost for dealers for a live game is maybe $15 an hour per table?
Cost to rent the table is?

Difference (savings?) divided by 40 hands per hour?

Even adding the additional hands per hour the table might produce, I don't expect any "significant reduction" in drop.

[MicroBob]

Artichoke Joe's is in California?

[AngusThermopyle]

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Artichoke Joe's is in California?

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San Bruno, just south of San Francisco

[alydom]

Think about the savings of not tipping the dealer for a moment:
30 hands/hour (conservative)
$1.50/tip per hand (some more/some less...average)
$45/hour taken out of the game (just in tips)

So this means the dealer makes $50/hour ($5/hr salary + $45 tips). And the argument from the dealer would be I don't make money when I am sitting on a dead spread...or on break. True, but there is always a dealer in front of us. So it costs us $45/hr to have a dealer. Do you make $45-$50/hr? Do you think a dealer should make that much? Do they really add that much to the game? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[rafiki]

I'm all for our robot overlords. Less mistakes, more hands, less tip. Jackpot.

[AngusThermopyle]

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Think about ......

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Think about this thread is about electronic tables being introduced at on of the oldest cardrooms in the nation. Not about what you think a dealer should make.

[KurtSF]

Wow, never would have expected that.

I don't like, of course, except in one of the two scenarios:

* significant drop in the rake (as already menitoned, quite unlikely)
* they spread games they usually don't (it seems wasted on 3/6 LHE, but if it opened up NLH or PLO or whatnot at the room then that might make me consider it)

[Abe]

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I might change my mind if the drop is reduced significantly.


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Total cost for dealers for a live game is maybe $15 an hour per table?
Cost to rent the table is?

Difference (savings?) divided by 40 hands per hour?

Even adding the additional hands per hour the table might produce, I don't expect any "significant reduction" in drop.

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For comparison:

Four Winds Casino in New Buffalo Mich just installed 15 electronic poker tables. The rake is $3, plus $1 for a bbj. Hands per hour was 48.

A few minutes away in Northern Indiana, the casinos have all live dealers. Rake is $5, plus a $1 bbj, plus a dealer tip of $1. Hands per hour was 30.

So --- with the electronic tables you get 18 more hands per hour (over 50%) and there is only $4 taken off the table per hand compared to $7.

[alydom]

I was just at 4-Winds...and that was the talk of the table. If you are going to play poker for any serious length of time...you have to at least consider the automated tables. To just say "I like to play with the chips while I'm playing" is all well and good, but at what price? If it costs an extra $3/hand...and you play a couple of days a week....that's a lotta jack.