Flopped trips in multi-way pot...OR...Nit succumbs to FPS???

[cheburashka]

First hand at table for villain, so absolutely no read.

Now lately I fear that I’m turning into a total nit. And as a general policy, I take up permanent residence in value town during a tourney. But for some reason I seem to have succumbed to FPS on this hand.

But in addition to the general flaming I expect with respect to FPS, I’d like to get thoughts on (1) what do you think about raising pre-flop to narrow the field somewhat, as the table in general is a limp-o-rama? and (2) was my flop check really so horrible, as I fully expected BU to bet, giving me an opportunity to re-raise?

UTG (6780 in chips)
UTG+1 (2790 in chips)
MP1 (1075 in chips)
MP2(1110 in chips)
HJ(3710 in chips)
Hero (4455 in chips)
BU (2585 in chips)
SB powerplant7 (1005 in chips)
BB (1760 in chips)

Blinds 50/100, Hero in CO with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG calls 100, UTG+1 calls 100, one fold, MP2 calls 100, one fold, Hero calls 100, BU calls 100, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop (650) Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, BU checks

Turn (650) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG checks, UTG+1 bets 100, MP2 calls 100, Hero calls 100, two folds

River (950) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG+1 bets 200, MP2 calls 200, Hero raises 600 to 800, UTG+1 raises 600 to 1400, one fold, Hero???

[mflip]

I think PF is fine. Not really sure about the flop. I think I prefer leading to c/r. On the turn, raise to 600. As played, call the river minraise since your hand is so underrepped and your getting like 5.5:1

[bookish]

You've got QJs which is a good hand with position in a multi-way pot. I wouldn't raise pre-flop here.

It looks like you and villain have both played a strong hand slowly. He's limped UTG, which (buy-in dependent) smells of set-mining, so by the end he's more likely to have TT/99 than KJ.

Its hard to see what you are beating on the river here, but I can't find a fold into such a large pot.

As for the flop-check, well maybe. You certainly can't rely on the button betting into a multi-way pot with a paired flop though.

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

Raise to 600 prf. Punish the limpers! Raise 3x plus 1 bb for every limper. Been doing this with pos and any decent hand lately and been more successful. Another tool to add in once in a while.

C/R the flop screams trips all too often. Betting it suggests maybe a queen, maybe a ten, maybe KJ and someone may even rr you to find out where they are. And with this hand you have to do 2 things, build a pot, protect your hand somewhat.

Really not liking the turn call, raise and make anyone drawing pay a bad amount for the draw. Pot it.

By the river I have no clue what UTG+1 has... not even the fogiest.

[cheburashka]

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By the river I have no clue what UTG+1 has... not even the fogiest.

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Thanks. You won't believe what villain had, but I'd like to see if I can get a couple more opinions before I spill the beans.

[Ross]

Limping pre flop is not a terrible play. Do'nt like the check on the flop you have a strong but not unbeatable hand and need to protect it. Once the 9c comes up you you have a problem do you have the best hand or the best draw? The outbreak of micro betting doesn't help to define your hand a raise might be in order.

On the river you are beat put the hand down.

[ThePershore]

Pre flop is OK but bet the flop.

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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By the river I have no clue what UTG+1 has... not even the fogiest.

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Thanks. You won't believe what villain had, but I'd like to see if I can get a couple more opinions before I spill the beans.

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Aces.

[cheburashka]

No, J8.

This is one reason why I posted, since following your advice and raising to 600 probably would have gotten this guy out of there pre-flop, and I would have had a decent pot for QJs even if no one had called.

In retrospect, betting the flop was the obvious thing to do (for reasons that everyone stated), and I don't know why I didn't. The check was completely out of character for me.

So I think the final answer is that pre-flop, either a limp or raise would be fine (say, limp 70% raise 30% in similar situations), but checking the flop was idiotic.

Thanks all!

[ssnyc]

i believe anything but don't be too results oriented...still that was a drawy flop and 20 players...bet out and hope A10 comes for a ride...I would be betting each street with so many players in the hand...