NL50 & 100, KK becoming a routine fold to all-in preflop vs. unknown?

[Kos13]

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Do you often find yourself folding KK to a 3bet shove vs. unknown?

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3bet shove? You mean you're raising 3-4x the big blind, and they're shoving and showing up with AA?

[Gobias Ind.]

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Do you often find yourself folding KK to a 3bet shove vs. unknown?

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3bet shove? You mean you're raising 3-4x the big blind, and they're shoving and showing up with AA?

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YES

[GiantBuddha]

And this happens often?

You should catch KK vs. AA about once every 5300 hands. You shoud catch AA vs. KK about once every 5300 hands. This will tend to balance out. If you saved your entire stack every time you had KK vs. AA this would improve your winrate by almost .6BB. Of course, this is impossible, as you've usually already put some money in by the time you think someone has AA.

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3bet shove? You mean you're raising 3-4x the big blind, and they're shoving and showing up with AA?

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Anyway, this question is really about the ratio of shove with the nuts donkeys versus shove with ATC donkeys. I think we need a donkologist to answer this question properly.

[leatangclan]

After I have been laughed at a few times, I have adopted a more agressive posture with KK. I have been calling ai with them, pre and post flop. So far I have ran into AA the last 3 out of 4 times; and have lost on the river the last two times. So I have only won 1 out the last six times with KK since I have taken the agreesive approach. I'm going to continue with this approach until my luck turns around or I'm out of money [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[effang]

i never call 3/bets with KK.

[Gobias Ind.]

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i never call 3/bets with KK.

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Are you being serious?

[CalledDownLight]

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i never call 3/bets with KK.

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so you always 4bet it? I really don't understand. If you mean you fold then you're pretty damn easy to play against, can you please explain this statement.

Why the hell would someone 3bet shove 100+ BB to win like 5? I think I've seen this maybe 3-4 times ever and one of them was my friend misclicking for 350 BB with KK and getting called by a guy with AA that covered at 1/2.

[CalledDownLight]

A question for those of you who complain about running into AA so much. How wide do you all 3bet generally and how light do you 4bet/call 3bets?

Also, do you all actually lose with KK or just run into AA more than you think you should?